I am sorry for this. I try to be more alert with my postings. Should I start a new topic with this theme and copy also two latter comments there, or?Heith wrote:Good conversation! I'll certainly partake. However, we are really offtopic, and I think we maybe should move this conversation to another thread, starting from Kavi's post. I don't know how to do that?
Smaragd wrote:I might go through the obvious road, but what the hell. In another topic I recently talked about juvenile satanism as a bit moronic thing, which led me to think of the juvenile aspects of Satan. Although rap music obviously has wide spectrum it remains a juvenile thing like rock. It's the "teenage lightning", which can also be found from fantasy, listening to Arcturus and elsewhere. So maybe it's about the actual rulers behind these things that gets to say what goes to where under their watch. The Trickster aspect might have lost it's power and influence over literary poetry while gained some within the new comer rap, where the Trickster can be seen quite literally making tricks with the rhymes. Maybe it's these different cultural forms that rise and bogart the powers of certain aspects to themselves. Under their new hosts the archetypes may continue to actualize, evolve and repeat their cycles in new colors, though the change is proably more like a gradient than sudden jump.Cancer wrote:It's strange, by the way, how rhyming is considered totally passé in literary poetry, while it can still be "cutting edge" in rap music, for example. Do you people have any ideas as to why this is?
I think great writers don't bend to these cultural forms but are able to incorporate any aspect to their work regardless of it's "style" or form.
Maybe it's seen somehow as a cliche or as an old trick nowadays?
Also even in nowadays there is a lots of rhyming, rhythmical spontaneous spoken-word stuff with music which isn't classified as rap, like "meyxana" in Azerbaijan. I believe rhyming and humor are very much connected and I think that's one part of reason why this kind of style can be seen as a juvenile thing to do. Laughter? Who has time for that except drunken fools in the tavern or master of ceremonies who entertains the people?
In modern poetry what makes me and maybe other people as well become bothered is, that it takes itself rather seriously and becomes somehow very "artsy" without playful attitude.