Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

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Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby Abhavani » Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:58 pm

Nefastos wrote:
Abhavani wrote:I've heard rumours that [Satanic Feminism] is getting a reprint soon. Sought after by many, and by your comment I'd deduce that it is worth picking up when it's out.

This is very good news. I was pretty sure this will be re-printed for wider audience, and it's good hear this will be the case. Would it be possible for you to put a message in the forum when this can be ordered, if you are following the publisher? I buy few of by own books brand new, so I am not following any publishers' newsfeeds.
I'll do what I can. These rumours are as reliable as any internet gossip, as they circulate in forums and Facebook-groups but I'll keep my eyes and ears open. I'll let you know. I am very trusting that a re-press will come out eventually because it is such a sought after book, but when will that happen is another issue altogether.

EDIT: Taken apart from Baphomet and the Roots of Satanism thread, so people do not miss this great piece of news. JN
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Re: Baphomet and the Roots of Satanism

Postby Abhavani » Sat May 13, 2017 1:30 pm

Abhavani wrote:
Nefastos wrote:
Abhavani wrote:I've heard rumours that [Satanic Feminism] is getting a reprint soon. Sought after by many, and by your comment I'd deduce that it is worth picking up when it's out.

This is very good news. I was pretty sure this will be re-printed for wider audience, and it's good hear this will be the case. Would it be possible for you to put a message in the forum when this can be ordered, if you are following the publisher? I buy few of by own books brand new, so I am not following any publishers' newsfeeds.
I'll do what I can. These rumours are as reliable as any internet gossip, as they circulate in forums and Facebook-groups but I'll keep my eyes and ears open. I'll let you know. I am very trusting that a re-press will come out eventually because it is such a sought after book, but when will that happen is another issue altogether.
Okay, now there's some official information available, and the publication date is set to september: https://global.oup.com/academic/product ... us&lang=en&
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Re: Baphomet and the Roots of Satanism

Postby Nefastos » Sun May 14, 2017 5:52 pm

Thank you brother. I will certainly buy this, and hopefully the brotherhood library will as well.
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Re: Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby Abhavani » Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:57 am

Okay, the book has become available last weekend. I already ordered mine instantly!
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Re: Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby Cerastes » Fri Jun 08, 2018 2:46 pm

One of my favorites :)
I need to reanimate this topic because I’d love to read your thoughts on the book or the topic in general.

Let me share my thoughts to begin.

To me Satanism/occultism is the only true feminism.
It’s painful to watch women in my age that are desperately trying to be like men since they’ve been taught to rate masculinity higher than femininity. People do notice that there is something wrong and a screaming discontent is spreading its wings amongst the western culture. Some women hate themselves, other women and men equally because obviously men are better in being men. What a bitter irony it is. Today’s so called feminism is actually fighting against femininity .

I was living right in the epicenter of modern European feminism.
I see women wandering around confused and desperate without even remembering what they are looking for in this endless maze of nothingness. Doomed to obey their own slavery some find the only option to express their femininity in their physical appearance. It breaks my heart every day to see the empty shells painted in beautiful colors, presenting the rotting leftovers of femininity to the world and bagging for attention. Randomly a Rolling Stones song appears to my mind:

“Paint it black”

I’ve become more passive since I call myself an occultist.
Passivity is often confused with weakness and the loudest one is often confused to be the most important. Yet another horrible mistake of the material worldview because the hidden truth will always be in control and everyone who is into occultism necessarily needs to see that. We need to dig to the down to the core to revitalize what was abandoned by society.
The roots of the 3 monotheistic world religions are deeply rotten as it clearly connects feminine with evil. Why? Because mankind is longing for the feminine essence but at the same time they fear it, want to domesticate and keep control in the same way people want to banish death from their minds for it is something that is out of their control.
So how can we get it back?
Maybe by loving both concepts –the femininity and masculinity - for they are both dependent on each other and by hating the tyranny of the Abrahamian world religions. There is no god who created the man first and gave him a woman for his entertainment for both cannot even exist without each other. It's nothing more than a patriarchal fantasy with very to much influence on this world.

Unfortunately we can do this for ourselves but the world will not change. The wounds are very too deep.
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Re: Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby Smaragd » Fri Jun 08, 2018 10:41 pm

Red Bird wrote: The roots of the 3 monotheistic world religions are deeply rotten as it clearly connects feminine with evil. Why? Because mankind is longing for the feminine essence but at the same time they fear it, want to domesticate and keep control in the same way people want to banish death from their minds for it is something that is out of their control.
So how can we get it back?
Maybe by loving both concepts –the femininity and masculinity - for they are both dependent on each other and by hating the tyranny of the Abrahamian world religions. There is no god who created the man first and gave him a woman for his entertainment for both cannot even exist without each other. It's nothing more than a patriarchal fantasy with very to much influence on this world.

Unfortunately we can do this for ourselves but the world will not change. The wounds are very too deep.
Haven't read the book but I agree with your views of feminism and would like to embrace the femininity in it's purest forms. Also in some degree hating the Abrahamian world religions and their tyranny will purify things at least in individual level and that is really what matters because the most important change happens in individual levels, which then reflects in to the objective world.
But I would also like to embrace these religions and their mythic valuables, which often speak in totally different language than the discussions on cultural politics, although the same words are present at both instances.
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Re: Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby obnoxion » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:05 am

A great book, indeed! And not only for the Feminism and the Satanism, but also for its treatment of Romanticism and Symbolist Art.

When it comes to Abrahamic religions, Jung has wrote that (if I have understood correctly) a new form of a collective spirituality in the West must grow from the Christian past. I think it would be helpful to think Christianity not as an monolith, but as a slow process, connecting many traditional streams from the West, the Middle-East and the Orient. For have there ever been a century without its distinct form of Christianity - or Islam or Judaism, for that matter?

When Pope Pious XII in November 1950 made the infallible dogmatic definition on The Assumption of Mary - that is, "having completed the course of her earthly life, [she] was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory" This act - and I think this is highly interresting in terms of Jungian Psychology, that a public Religious act like this can facilitate so collective an impression - caused the Feminine Principle to rise as the Fourth term into the Pleroma.This fourth term has also been reserved for Satan, after the reconciliation of Satan and Christ. So, keeping these things in mind, I think that modern Feminist Theologies can be quite relevant field of study from our angle, too.
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Re: Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby Nefastos » Sun Jun 10, 2018 1:26 pm

obnoxion wrote:The Assumption of Mary [---] caused the Feminine Principle to rise as the Fourth term into the Pleroma.


This is a good thought, but I hesitate calling this yet as a goal accomplished. A true feminine divinity icon would need to be equal, but too much stress is yet put into Mary's inferiority: her very virtue is seen in the two very problematic forms, obedience and virginity. While these could be seen as strength when accompanied by other divine powers (virginity as an esoterical power is mentioned in several of our own Azazelian hymns to the divinities as well, and every occultist should understand the tremendous power in real humility), intensely underlined all by themselves speaks of another kind of archetypical power than the one of a Goddess.

Smaragd wrote:Also in some degree hating the Abrahamian world religions [---] But I would also like to embrace these religions and their mythic valuables, which often speak in totally different language


I think that Luciferian Satanism can be an optimal amalgam of these two: it enters into discussion with the religious roots & heritage, but by this love-wrestle, seeks its betterment.

And the day will come, sooner or later, when the sibling – this Michael of Christianity – opens his eyes & sees his loved Lucifer as she is, the one complementing the Truth.

Red Bird wrote:Today’s so called feminism is actually fighting against femininity .


Yes; I agree. Those more nuanced, subtle virtues which are archetypically connected with femininity are seen in our present day culture as a nuisance, not virtues at all but a form of weakness. Laozi's extremely deep ideas of "weak" conquering "strong" (that is, the power gained from harmony instead of forcing) are not understood in our "global West", at all.

Of course, one reason behind – or interwoven to – these problems is the serious misinterpretation of the sacrifice of Christ, having become like almost a masochistic figure very soon when the Christianity first emerged. Think about the fanatical martyrs, eager to seek death even in the cases where if could have been avoided by being simply respectuful towards other, more political religions.

Red Bird wrote:...obviously men are better in being men.


Not necessarily. I think the problem goes much deeper than one's outer sex, and it might be possible that approximately half of the men suffer of this cultural condition, while the same amount of women are not necessarily so badly influenced. One's outer physical sex is one thing and the inner sex can be the opposite – without either being being one's true gender, for the formless spirit itself is without sex. In occultism, we can also speak about "magnetisms" or "polarities" when the words sex or gender become too flammable.

Personally, even though I try to achieve the complete (inner and magical, not outward) hermafroditic stage of the whole magician, I feel content of remaining physically male and psychically more inclined towards femininity – as I understand the word. These are personal – karmic & dharmic – choices, and vary according to people.

Because even our psychical apparatus is "formal" in its own way (part of the lower triad instead of the formless spiritual atma-buddhi-manas), we naturally will need in our life all the different instruments connected to it. Average human being can seldom work without using all the tools of his or her psychical constitution to some extent, and occultist even more rarely. Thus in my life the needs of my spiritual dharma – for example, in the management of the brotherhood – many "manly" virtues have been needed, and I have achieved those too, to some extent, with much work. But usually I enjoy more the feminine approach, when such is possible.

(I also find it hilarious that my great esoteric teacher H.P. Blavatsky was a woman who considered herself more as a male, while I as her disciple identify myself as a soul more female than male. And not only that, but while she despised sexuality and saw it as the gateway to sensuality and black magic, I see the thing just oppositely: that sexuality is a very demanding and important gateway to spirituality and magic true.)

Red Bird wrote:Unfortunately we can do this for ourselves but the world will not change. The wounds are very too deep.


In a way this will always (by which I mean, a very long time) be the case concerning all the spiritual and ethical work. Thus it becomes one of those watersheds or hidden doors between the esoteric and the exoteric: the true esotericist is the one who can work without seeming benefits, seemingly without hope. As long as we believe that the world will change according to what we do, in some reachable human timescale, we will be bound in politics. That is a field different to ours, even though the two necessarily interact.
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Re: Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby obnoxion » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:56 pm

Nefastos wrote:obnoxion wrote:The Assumption of Mary [---] caused the Feminine Principle to rise as the Fourth term into the Pleroma.This is a good thought, but I hesitate calling this yet as a goal accomplished. A true feminine divinity icon would need to be equal, but too much stress is yet put into Mary's inferiority: her very virtue is seen in the two very problematic forms, obedience and virginity. While these could be seen as strength when accompanied by other divine powers (virginity as an esoterical power is mentioned in several of our own Azazelian hymns to the divinities as well, and every occultist should understand the tremendous power in real humility), intensely underlined all by themselves speaks of another kind of archetypical power than the one of a Goddess.
I very much agree with this! The step takne in 1950 only does seem quite tremendous, when one considers it was teken within the Catholic Christian context, which could be describe as a thight spot for the Goddess.
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Re: Faxneld: Satanic Feminism

Postby Cerastes » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:16 pm

obnoxion wrote:A great book, indeed! And not only for the Feminism and the Satanism, but also for its treatment of Romanticism and Symbolist Art.

When it comes to Abrahamic religions, Jung has wrote that (if I have understood correctly) a new form of a collective spirituality in the West must grow from the Christian past. I think it would be helpful to think Christianity not as an monolith, but as a slow process, connecting many traditional streams from the West, the Middle-East and the Orient. For have there ever been a century without its distinct form of Christianity - or Islam or Judaism, for that matter?

When Pope Pious XII in November 1950 made the infallible dogmatic definition on The Assumption of Mary - that is, "having completed the course of her earthly life, [she] was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory" This act - and I think this is highly interresting in terms of Jungian Psychology, that a public Religious act like this can facilitate so collective an impression - caused the Feminine Principle to rise as the Fourth term into the Pleroma.This fourth term has also been reserved for Satan, after the reconciliation of Satan and Christ. So, keeping these things in mind, I think that modern Feminist Theologies can be quite relevant field of study from our angle, too.
I enjoy reading you comments because your associations are very different from mine. Jung might be right about that. But right now we have science and intellectualism a substitute for spirituality. Christianity was replaced, at least in my country. How could a collectiv new spirituality grow out of intellectualism?
Nefastos wrote:Not necessarily. I think the problem goes much deeper than one's outer sex, and it might be possible that approximately half of the men suffer of this cultural condition, while the same amount of women are not necessarily so badly influenced. One's outer physical sex is one thing and the inner sex can be the opposite – without either being being one's true gender, for the formless spirit itself is without sex. In occultism, we can also speak about "magnetisms" or "polarities" when the words sex or gender become too flammable.

Personally, even though I try to achieve the complete (inner and magical, not outward) hermafroditic stage of the whole magician, I feel content of remaining physically male and psychically more inclined towards femininity – as I understand the word. These are personal – karmic & dharmic – choices, and vary according to people.

Because even our psychical apparatus is "formal" in its own way (part of the lower triad instead of the formless spiritual atma-buddhi-manas), we naturally will need in our life all the different instruments connected to it. Average human being can seldom work without using all the tools of his or her psychical constitution to some extent, and occultist even more rarely. Thus in my life the needs of my spiritual dharma – for example, in the management of the brotherhood – many "manly" virtues have been needed, and I have achieved those too, to some extent, with much work. But usually I enjoy more the feminine approach, when such is possible.

(I also find it hilarious that my great esoteric teacher H.P. Blavatsky was a woman who considered herself more as a male, while I as her disciple identify myself as a soul more female than male. And not only that, but while she despised sexuality and saw it as the gateway to sensuality and black magic, I see the thing just oppositely: that sexuality is a very demanding and important gateway to spirituality and magic true.)

Mh, you are right.
I guess we are talking about the absolute essence of femininity. There sure is a correlation with the sociological/political presence. But is not as high as one might think.
I switched my profession from psychology to hardware developement although my femininity is stronger than ever. But I had to dig very deep to find it. Others might find it faster since there is just a lot of aries/red/mars that used to cover it all.
Loving both polarities is what got me out of misery. Mankind always tried to devide in good/evil but I don't think evil even exists (...expect from Finnish grammar that is just pure torture)

I'd like to hear your definition of femininity and the role of death within it. Just because mine does not come from literature but from meditaiton and therfor comparing them could be interesting.

We are all mixed beings and maybe tho most empathic ones are those who are able to unterstand both principles.
Magnetism is a good word, I used to compare it to electricity. Kepping both priciples alive in one person is the sorce of a high voltage coming from two opposite poles.

Sexuality sure plays an important role in spirituality for it is unleashing energies and it activates a creative force. While I reject every kind of marriage/relationship and reproduction, sexuality is still a very positive thing fo me.

BTW Blavatsky is a great autor and a fascinating personalty.
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