Near-Death Experiences

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Near-Death Experiences, or NDE, are one of those interesting phenomena that is easy to find a lot stories about these days. Every now and then I view some youtube channels where people who have died and come back tell their stories and experiences. Quite often these experiences include details that would not be possible without consciousness having existence outside of body, for example getting information that can't be acquired otherwise.

Have you been reading or watching these stories and what do you think about them?

I thought that I'd start a little project here as well. I'll be reporting here about 2 to 4 different experiences a month that I can find from youtube or other sources. I will not be looking for any "proof" about the reality of these experiences. Sometimes these experiences include details on ethical and spiritual issues that I find very intriguing and it would be interesting to hear other opinions about them instead.
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I have seen some of those videos and am waiting eagerly to discuss the coming examples. One of the most notable thing I have observed is that I have not heard of any hellscape experiences from those. More often they seem to be just about all-encompassing darkness, life flashing before one's eyes or some interaction with the Masters and gaining insight of the whole. Perhaps it is that people are on the brink of leaving the state of self behind, and thus more completely entering buddhi that makes one converse with the Masters. I wonder if it is the still remaining connection to the lower principles that makes people to "see" them, or if their Nirmanakaya forms are "seen" with inner senses pertaining to the higher principles?
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I was thinking about sharing some NDE vids here some time ago, so such a nice synchro/ coincidence.

I find these NDEs very relatable, even though they are also very subjective by nature. Isn't it fascinating how reality is subjective and objective at the same time? Our lower triad brain interprets many features of these NDEs being therefore illogical - for things are and are not at the same time.

What fra Smaragd stated about the lack of hellspace experiences... yes they tend to be missing. I myself think that Hell is life on Earth, before (every)one realizes one's true nature/ releases old pains (which literally feels like being burned alive).
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I've watched some videos of those hellish experiences but they tend to be in minority among NDEs. Often the videos seem to contain strict fundamentalist, even apocalyptic visions and interpretations of the state of the world. There's a certain fear mongering aspect in them. I might watch a few of them as well and post some details, just to get a vaster image of the phenomenon.

Despite all the cultural differences and details which enrich the NDE reports, it seems that the following features are quite common to all of the experiences:

First there is the deepest darkness and/or the life review where people see all their actions of life in context and how they have affected the ones around. They feel what others have felt due to their actions and words. Usually that which was considered as success during life (jobs, money, power, knowledge etc.) seems to have no importance at all, only the actions of love, kindness and helping others are greeted as valuable. There might appear an understanding of how millions of lifetimes have brought the person to this point. Then there are potentially some luminous figures or relatives, sometimes animals, greeting and guiding the person who has died. Then appears the absolute love/consciousness that is first experienced as a "light at the end of the tunnel" that seems to be approaching. Usually this light is identified as God, whether the person is religious or not. It has no judgement upon the actions of the person in question, instead all the actions of a lifetime are judged by yourself. The luminous figures and God might even guide the person to not judge oneself too hard. Then, before returning back to body, it gets clear that the person still has something to do on earth and must return. Usually all this happens during time when observable brain functions have ceased and there should be no brain activity, memory or other cognition available.
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This is actually very interesting topic. I have not watched any of these videos yet, but now that they are mentioned I think I need to see them myself. Eagerly waiting for your posts about these videos. NDE's are quite interesting phenomenon indeed. I have been thinking about this phenomenon for a while. There are so many questions regarding this: 1. How could we know that the experiences people talk about are real? (I see that you already told that you have not fact-checked so this questions just comes in mind.) 2. I am really interested in the supernatural aspect of this but is there a way to separate this from the work of subconsciouness, or is this even relevant? 3. What can we learn from this phenomenon? Is there a way for us to really use some of that information we receive from these people in our lives or is it just a porn for the curious mind? These questions are mostly just my own mind flow regarding this matter. As said very interesting topic but I don't really know what I think about this. Only that I am really interested about it and waiting for your videos. Even tho I am not sure what I think about this, I know that I am going to watch them and maybe some answers come to me.
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I have a hellish NDE, but that is one of those rare things I don't want to share with everyone publicly. Face to face I can tell this with some people who I think can understand the experience at least in theory. It is the most intense experience I have and it changed my life somehow (not even sure how). Two key words are loneliness and eternity.
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gunslinger wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 7:53 pm This is actually very interesting topic. I have not watched any of these videos yet, but now that they are mentioned I think I need to see them myself. Eagerly waiting for your posts about these videos. NDE's are quite interesting phenomenon indeed. I have been thinking about this phenomenon for a while. There are so many questions regarding this: 1. How could we know that the experiences people talk about are real? (I see that you already told that you have not fact-checked so this questions just comes in mind.) 2. I am really interested in the supernatural aspect of this but is there a way to separate this from the work of subconsciouness, or is this even relevant? 3. What can we learn from this phenomenon? Is there a way for us to really use some of that information we receive from these people in our lives or is it just a porn for the curious mind? These questions are mostly just my own mind flow regarding this matter. As said very interesting topic but I don't really know what I think about this. Only that I am really interested about it and waiting for your videos. Even tho I am not sure what I think about this, I know that I am going to watch them and maybe some answers come to me.
Good and pretty valid questions! What I've read about some of the research that has been done on the subject, they are questions that can't be answered with 100% certainty by even those who are studying it. I'm speaking of scientists who are interested in the consciousness and how it works. I will try to memorize some of the thoughts they have have said/written to questions you asked.

1. We can't surely answer if anyone's experience is real. Yet, because the resuscitation techniques have developed so much, we are probably speaking of thousands, if not millions of people who have reported to have experienced something like this. In science, maybe the only aspect that we can be certain about, is that peoples lives have often changed completely and they have started to live according to what they have learned during their NDE. I guess this means they have experienced something, instead of just lying, for example. People often speak of those experiences being "more real" than what life on earth is. There is no way to prove their experiences, neither there is ways to disprove it. It's a subjective experience after all.

2. Some have speculated if there is some brain activity left somewhere in deeper parts of the brain. I don't know what those parts are called. The problem is that the measuring instruments don't observe any activity and in the present knowledge it means that those people have actually died. Some people have told about out-of-body experiences during their death. They have been able to observe everything the medical staff has been doing, sometimes even their thoughts and feelings, they have been able to report things happening in other rooms in the hospital and some have reported about things happening to their family or relatives somewhere far away, something they couldn't have gotten any information about. I have read that some scientists have been able to cause out-of-body experiences to people whose certain brain areas have been stimulated. This could bring more information about NDEs as well. Still the problem persists that when brain activity has stopped, there should be no perception, memory or any experiences according to the consensus of naturalist/materialist science. It might be difficult to prove that there is some activity inside the inner layers of the brains as it is difficult to investigate ethically at the moments of death.

3. I don't want to be looking at peoples experiences in any exploitative manner or for entertainment. What I think is interesting, is to look at what kind of details these people report about more general issues like ethics, cosmology, religious doctrines etc. How do they compare to esoteric (or exoteric) worldviews and the ideas such worldviews include? In this sense I think there could potentially be something to learn from these experiences.

Another theory is that NDE is a feature of the human brain that causes this experience in the moments of death or extreme stress. Of course this causes more questions too. What would be the reason for such thing to happen? For brain to cause such thing as the last conscious experience would sound quite a purposeful thing to do for a mass of cells. How would it fit in, for example, the evolution theories?

I am not an expert in this field and this is only some of the information I have gathered this far. There might be some new information coming up that I have not heard of yet. If anyone on the forum knows something relevant related to the topic, you're welcome to share your thoughts here!
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Kenazis wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 10:42 pm I have a hellish NDE, but that is one of those rare things I don't want to share with everyone publicly. Face to face I can tell this with some people who I think can understand the experience at least in theory. It is the most intense experience I have and it changed my life somehow (not even sure how). Two key words are loneliness and eternity.
Without knowing anything else than what you wrote, it already sounds something I can't even imagine. I won't be asking anything about the experience itself but have you searched or found out if there are other people who have experienced anything similar?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBc9_gS9UWA (english subtitles) This is pretty brutal. It seems christian channels have more of those. Some may be religious propaganda but this seems genuine to me. The way he speaks, and the way he speaks about the experience.
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Aquila wrote: Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:17 pm Without knowing anything else than what you wrote, it already sounds something I can't even imagine. I won't be asking anything about the experience itself but have you searched or found out if there are other people who have experienced anything similar?
I haven't even searched for my attitude concerning NDE is a bit weird perhaps.
1) I never had any big interested for NDE (not in theory or as personal experience),
2) I don't believe humans can ever know what is/exist (if anything) after one dies,
3) All near death experiences (and other similar experiences) are never proof of anything (they are only proof of rare experiences, that can be solely some neuro-chemical happenings)
4) (and) I have almost zero interest for everything neuro-prefix things.

and like you stated " sounds something I can't even imagine" it translates to my "It is completely impossible to explain"

Only way I could explain it in some reasonable manner would be to make some short story out of it. This is something I have planned many times, but haven't done yet.
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