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Counterfeits of Religion

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In the modern world there are a few phenomenon's that can be described as counterfeits of religion and religious attitude that can be described as "religions without God" or "secular religions". This spring and summer has especially brought to my attention two things, and they are:

1) Spectator sports
2) Political ideologies

The first one has been dealt with also by sociologists who have recognized religious attitudes in the spectator sports ranging from mild interest all the way to fanaticism (football hooligans, for example); spectator sports are largely a form of modern tribalism and they are ascetism and work without a spiritual goal - work and not action. I think the second one hasn't been that well recognized in the intellectual world in which the said ideologies play a huge part nowadays, causing very fierce battles in the social arena. Nevertheless, (political) ideologies play a great part in the confusion and dissolution of the modern world and they can be described as "secular religions without God", ranging from communism, utopian socialism and capitalism to fascist / NS ideologies in which an almost mystical element is present; in the first ones the socio-economic myth of progress plays a huge part, and in fascist ideologies the nation or race replaces the yearning for "vertical transcendence" and instead takes a form of "horizontal transcendence", with completely mundane goals and without any reference to spirituality.

Now I don't want this to be a "political" thread in that "forbidden way", but I think it would be useful to discuss these two things in a general manner and perhaps also to discuss other phenomenon that could be described as counterfeits of religion, secular religions or religions without God.

What do you think?
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Re: Counterfeits of Religion

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Both of your examples (good ones) are something that held partly religious significance earlier – let's think about the original Greek Olympic games as sacred striving dedicated to divinities, and politics as a continuum of celestial hierarchy and dharma. After "the death of God" things that have very strong psychological connections to tribalism and sectarianism (bearing just one narrowly defined ideological flag & going against the others) lose their connection to the whole and thus often become monstrous. They are still gestaltic, formed from a collective standpoint, but these different collectives no longer strive for any higher mutual end.

This phenomena was dealth a bit by Levi and other 19th century occult authors, and it is interesting how the latter occultism, which would have much more need for the idea, usually no longer considers it, at least not the extremely dangerous aspects, which should be considered before the positive applications.

I just stumbled in an old text a partially funny, partially fascinating interpretation that the Biblical JHVH, i.e. God as we know Him from Judeo-Christian belief systems, is actually such an artificial gestalt spirit made up by the antediluvian humankind...
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Nefastos wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:00 pm I just stumbled in an old text a partially funny, partially fascinating interpretation that the Biblical JHVH, i.e. God as we know Him from Judeo-Christian belief systems, is actually such an artificial gestalt spirit made up by the antediluvian humankind...
In the modern world there are two groups that can be said to work upon this antediluvian model and they have their own line of development (which is in reality regression) : Radical Nazis and Zionist Jews. They are both Saturn's Children. They are both working upon the same gestalt model of cruelty and separatism, both openly or secretly power-hungry (they yearn for order and justice fanatically) and their goals of racial purity and clearly defined Set of enemies and friends is causing them both to descend downwards, individual souls borning into descending, decaying racial forms in which the atavistic element plays a big role: The spirit they are obsessed with - The ahrimans etc. of Steiner - are the cosmic evil derived and inherited from earlier incarnations of the Solar system, and in the future world they shall be received as victors, masters and liberators from their own counter-working ideals of corruption and misanthropic destruction. These are the "shadows of ancient Kings" or "Kings of Edom that fell", unusable residues of past manvantaras who still tempt all those who wish to go back to the primordial times in an atavistic fashion. This also is the path of the serpent, which interlocks man into his frontal lobe where the serpent brain resides; thick-headed they are called in upward esoteric literature, for their focus is in the material forum and not in the "Race of the Spirit" where the illumined semitics and aryans - who were once one - reside; in nobility of the spirit. All great Men think they have a Soul and think of it as their highest possession.
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Of course the shadow of religion is working on all other groups as well, not just so directly; and I can stand with those people who wish to preserve some sanity in this modern furious and only speeding mixing of ours, but that's just simple societal logic. All I'm basically saying is that some amount of misgenation and mixing can actually have a galvanizing effect for the races in contrary for example to those aristocratic classes that regress because of inter-breeding. There are the "Christianity world wide" and jihadic "Dar-er-Islam" fanatical groups also who are working upon the same antediluvian model of Power for the Mighty in religious forms; the shadow of universalism.
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Gangleri wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:04 am All I'm basically saying is that some amount of misgenation and mixing can actually have a galvanizing effect for the races in contrary for example to those aristocratic classes that regress because of inter-breeding.
I don't think such straight up general interpretations can be drawn plausibly enough because the "Lord works in mysterious ways" i.e. Satan always finds a way through the stifness of what is or what isn't good or bad. I mean who is truly in the position that can see if some "aristocratic classes" are regressing or whether it is only a left-handed act of balancing some overly emphasised aspects that looks good on the outside but hides terrible shadows within. Or something along the lines... "Praise the black sheep as integral part of a flock".

I see the Satanism of our age as a gift and an answer to the problematic situation the Theosophists helped to create for WW2, in the sense that Satanism redirects the focus on the individual basicly emphasising that the war is within oneself, and outer conditions, although often affecting alot of our ways to work, they become mere nuanced parts the further in to the hidden we roam. Thus I think speaking in terms of breeding and race, especially in a secular sense, can be quite misleading and close to the reflections of the petty tribal spirits that create separatism. Ofcourse nuances can and should be taken in to consideration but generalizing interpretations on such situation specific things actually nears racism (be warned). I think the pettiness of the tribal spirits are the remains of power hunger of some groups and individuals given terrible amounts of power in their hands in the past and the pettiness is straight up reflection of the ghosts of those Kings and Führers etc.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGBZold3-qI
Being such a religion as Christianity has been, evolved in Western modernity into secular religion and contrary to its emphasized idealism, according to my interpretation of Weber, exactly the opposite manifested in the form of piling capital and things existing in life for profit - so that one soul could be seem like saved.
And being such anti-christ and anti-spirit everyone must approve it, caused a lot of discomfort and rebellion in the places where people were seeing it from their own point of view. Yet this apparent separatism is mostly, in my perspective, just a theater and show - we need conflicts and opposites in order to reign and we play the roles we are given. Quite trivial thing I think, which are even made into lyrics.
But in a turn this revolt became something quite demonic, because in the way one had accepted Antichrist into ones heart already.
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Smaragd wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:37 pm
Gangleri wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:04 am All I'm basically saying is that some amount of misgenation and mixing can actually have a galvanizing effect for the races in contrary for example to those aristocratic classes that regress because of inter-breeding.
I don't think such straight up general interpretations can be drawn plausibly enough because the "Lord works in mysterious ways" i.e. Satan always finds a way through the stifness of what is or what isn't good or bad. I mean who is truly in the position that can see if some "aristocratic classes" are regressing or whether it is only a left-handed act of balancing some overly emphasised aspects that looks good on the outside but hides terrible shadows within. Or something along the lines... "Praise the black sheep as integral part of a flock".
I need to say that with regression I meant for example physical deformities that too close interbreeding causes, and I have to say that I don't really understand what is racist in that, since it's a scientifically proven fact. Not to mention the tribal genetic diseases and all that is in my opinion just simple ethnic karma that would need to cleansed with spiritual living instead of focusing on the form side of things in this time of the world, so isn't it basically an anti-racist sentiment what I argued.
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Re: Counterfeits of Religion

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Gangleri wrote: Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:39 pm
Smaragd wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 12:37 pm
Gangleri wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:04 am All I'm basically saying is that some amount of misgenation and mixing can actually have a galvanizing effect for the races in contrary for example to those aristocratic classes that regress because of inter-breeding.
I don't think such straight up general interpretations can be drawn plausibly enough because the "Lord works in mysterious ways" i.e. Satan always finds a way through the stifness of what is or what isn't good or bad. I mean who is truly in the position that can see if some "aristocratic classes" are regressing or whether it is only a left-handed act of balancing some overly emphasised aspects that looks good on the outside but hides terrible shadows within. Or something along the lines... "Praise the black sheep as integral part of a flock".
I need to say that with regression I meant for example physical deformities that too close interbreeding causes, and I have to say that I don't really understand what is racist in that, since it's a scientifically proven fact. Not to mention the tribal genetic diseases and all that is in my opinion just simple ethnic karma that would need to cleansed with spiritual living instead of focusing on the form side of things in this time of the world, so isn't it basically an anti-racist sentiment what I argued.
Ah, my mistake. I misunderstood the sentence in a way that you were on the other hand idealizing racial focus, in a sense "sinking" in to some counterfeits of religion, and on the other seeing it not so desireable focus. From here on, I will not give answers in such a hurry as I did here, my apologies.
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Smaragd wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:07 pmAh, my mistake. I misunderstood the sentence in a way that you were on the other hand idealizing racial focus, in a sense "sinking" in to some counterfeits of religion, and on the other seeing it not so desireable focus. From here on, I will not give answers in such a hurry as I did here, my apologies.
No problem! I was quite amazed by the accusation of racism after critizising separative racist ideologies as counterfeits of religion and even as a sort of degenerating path.

Well returning to the topic, here are Evola's thoughts on the matter of sports in the modern world as a form of counterfeit religion:

http://www.juliusevola.net/excerpts/Spo ... World.html
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Gangleri wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:21 am 1) Spectator sports
2) Political ideologies
I'd like to add conspiracy culture on the list, with the notion that unlike every other secular religion it has an actual esoteric side within it. Dan Brown has deffinately played a vital part on my path (I was 13).
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