Tolkien and Lord of the Rings
Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:40 pm
Under this topic we could discuss about Tolkien and Lord of the Rings. Have you read any other book from Tolkien? What do you think about Lord of the Rings?
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People inserting their own political or New Age metaphors annoyed Tolkien, which is one of the reasons why he made the Silmarillion so Christian regarding the actual creation of the world and the development of evil.The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work; unconsciously so at first, but consciously in the revision. That is why I have not put in, or have cut out, practically all references to anything like 'religion', to cults or practices, in the imaginary world. For the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism.
The Lord of the Rings is of course a fundamentally religious and Catholic work
Jiva wrote:Funny that you mention Lovecraft along with Tokien as I think they are both terrible writers – Tom Bombadil anyone – who I nevertheless enjoy due to their extraordinary imaginations.
Jiva wrote:I haven't read anything from either author for years actually, although I seem to remember identifying mostly with Boromir and Faramir.
Jiva wrote:People inserting their own political or New Age metaphors annoyed Tolkien
Jiva wrote:The first time I read it I distinctly remember being annoyed that Radagast wasn't featured more prominently. He was basically the only 'good guy' who didn't do what Gandalf wanted.
I think this is because in trying to see through their own symbolism, they actually "filter" all of it through kama manas. This seems to be the case often times with bad poets too: instead of letting everything come to their vision in it's pure form, they force it in kama manasic shell & therefore the result is clever in it's own way, but not very meaningful in other ways.Nefastos wrote: "Occult" authors usually write awful supposedly symbolistic novels, because they think they can see through their own symbolism, which hardly ever is the case.
Insanus wrote:I think this is because in trying to see through their own symbolism, they actually "filter" all of it through kama manas. This seems to be the case often times with bad poets too: instead of letting everything come to their vision in it's pure form, they force it in kama manasic shell & therefore the result is clever in it's own way, but not very meaningful in other ways.
What?!! This is the best character of the whole book! It's a bit of a deus ex machina but still awesome, a random psychedelic encounter in the woods. I liked Radagast as well, but wizards by default are great.Jiva wrote: Tom Bombadil anyone
Mars wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:35 amPolyhymnia wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:29 amWhen I first joined the brotherhood, one of the ways my energy shifted was in a full out emotional purge that was pure anguish to go through. It seemed as though every hurt I had experienced, both very deep and shallow, throughout the entirety of my life in this body, came to the surface and bubbled over in a period of several agonizing weeks. I hadn't experienced the urge to self-pity ever so strongly in my life as I did for those few weeks, but I was able to address each wound, one by one, head on, and clean and bandage them. When the purge was done, I was able to begin healing, and that was the day I truly felt free within my Work. And now, when difficulties arise, I try to address them immediately in the moment, knowing that those difficulties are fleeting but the Work is eternal. Then I take several deep breaths, and do what needs to be done, for nothing truly worth something comes easily.
This sounds familiar (although I'm not a member of the brotherhood). I feel like I'm also going through something like this, although in my case it started in the fall of 2019 and still isn't through! (Although it may finally be easing its grip a bit). It's been very intense, and the start was intense as well (one Sunday afternoon, watching a movie, suddenly feeling like someone was squeezing my chest and head with a hydraulic press). I believe that these purges are essential and they just have to be endured, to let them happen.
This is a lovely thread and the topic is very important, since difficult circumstances are so common to the occult aspirants. To me the most important thing is to hold on to the lofty spiritual ideals, never to lose sight of them. The question of how they can be applied to this or that situation then becomes quite clear, as if the ideal itself gives the answer. I try to be like Aragorn, who "shall die as one of them" if that's what it takes!