Silvaeon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:20 am
And apologies for the repetitiveness, but writing these things out really does help them to stick to me.
Apologies unnecessary. Your messages have been great help for tying many ideas back together after diving in to these texts with a slow pace and forgetting many past things. I went through the discussion of the previous Stanza and I'm barely starting to come back to our map here after getting lost in to the details.
The following might be a bit rough around the edges so please feel free to point differentiating interpretations. This stanza has been a bit of a struggle and I'm hopeless in question formulation and prone to attempt to have some sort of living interpretation of my own, eventhough they sometimes end up to be a bit inconclusive atleast in written form. I guess I should work on this on myself.
3.3:
"“ Darkness ” radiates light, and light drops one solitary ray into the waters, into the mother deep.The ray shoots through the virgin-egg ; the ray causes the eternal egg to thrill, and drop the non-eternal ( periodical ) germ, which condenses into the world egg."
The non-eternal germ I would think to be the Manu of the Manvantara as "the non-eternal periodical germ which becomes later in symbolism the mundane egg, contain in itself, when it emerges from the said symbol, “ the promise and potency ” of all the Universe."
This germ of the Manu thus brings forth the emphasis and ideas by which the current Manvantara needs to circle through. The condensation in to the world egg is the Manu taking its form and incarnation.
Aquila wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:34 pm
The idea basically seems to be that the ray of light coming from the darkness impregnates the mother chaos (the sleeping waters of life). The chaos is the sum of all the possibilities and from here all the possible manifestations are drawn into existence.
I guess the Mother Chaos is sort of filtered by the Manu, meaning the endless possibilities are directed in the way that a limited form can be drawn from the world without limits.
3.4:
Aquila wrote: ↑Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:34 pmSeven outside is their appearance in all the further manifested existence that is their image. At least this is how I intrepret.
I think so too. The seven Dzyan Chohans emerge and have their symbolic manifestation as the planets of our solar system, as the cosmogenesis touches particularly our planetary system. The outside manifestations, I would think, to be here on the invisible stage of monadic center and the laws by which the material mass starts to gather around them.
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The luminous egg (Hiranyagarbha), which in itself is three (the triple hypostases of Brahmâ, or Vishnu, the three “ Avasthas”), curdles and spreads in milk-white curds throughout the depths of mother, the root that grows in the ocean of life ."
The curds as the first differentiation and the origin of the cosmic star stuff is a familiar image. Those unfamiliar with the unprocessed milk, its fat gathers as lumbs or "curds" on the surface after couple days leaving the milk itself a bit thin. Reminds me how ideas impressed to the liquidy astral light begin to take more and more concrete forms, although here the curds seem to be the primordial matter that I take to be the godly thought (or Logos) that will give the idea of its form to be impressed on the astral light?
3.6:
The Fire & Water or the Father & Mother (Spirit & Chaos) that creates the first-born light 'Protogonos' is further pointed towards in this wiki-article:
https://theosophy.wiki/en/Kwan-Shi-Yin
The whole 6th part of the III. Stanza seems to deal with this duality of light and darkness, which is essential to the Protogonos myth. According to Wikipedia Phanes' wife Nyx, who called him 'Protogenus', created the nighttime while Protogonos created daytime. As Protogonos hatching from the world egg creates the world, out comes first the primordial matter which I take to be the second Logos emanating forth from the monad — the center of everything.
The marriage of Nyx and Protogonos seems to speak of the same thing as the last two sentences: "Darkness vanished and was no more.† It disappeared in its own essence, the body of fire and water, of father and mother."
The son of the unnamed, that is pointed to be Avalokitesvara, Mystic Christ and Osiris of the Egyptian tradition is intriguing concept. Unamed father who is pointed towards by his son. Blavatsky points the Father to come only as the third one, almost as if the Son in an oidipal way becoming the Father. This I'd interpret to be the second Logos again, meaning, in the heartbeat of and active manifestation the fatherly Will takes its body and the effect becomes the cause again in the invisible world.
I'm fond of the Christian versions of the Mother and the Son who is identical to his Father, and through them some closer understanding is gained to what we are speaking of here, but I'm a bit confused in this cross-roads of different myths. Do you see Protogonos as the Logos ie. the Son or as the second Logos?
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7th part of the stanza brings together the seven in one — the Son — who "marks places for the shining ones" which I take to mainly point to the 7 celesital bodies here.
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He is called the “Blazing Dragon of Wisdom,” because, firstly, he is that which the Greek philosophers called the Logos, the Verbum of the Thought Divine ; and secondly, because in Esoteric philosophy this first manifestation, being the synthesis or the aggregate of Universal Wisdom, Oeaohoo, “ the Son of the Son,” contains in himself the Seven Creative Hosts (The Sephiroth), and is thus the essence of manifested Wisdom."
We seem to be at a place where we could understand what the different Logoi are about. On the footnote of the page 73: "
...the gnostic Ophis contained the same triple symbolism in its seven vowels as the One, Three and Seven-syllabled Oeaohoo of the Archaic doctrine; i.e., the One Unmanifested Logos, the Second manifested, the triangle concreting into the Quaternary or Tetragrammaton, and the rays of the latter on the material plane."
To bring these concepts a bit nearer I would like to see the Logoi in the Hieroglyphic Key in the following way. The One Unmanifested Logos is the Monad, which is the source of wisdom and the whole of the higher triad atma-buddhi-(manas), which manifesting itself as these three and further on as the seven (higher triad connected to the lower triad through prana) becomes the Second Logos.