For this reason I usually try to make sure someone has already offered words regarding more deep diving perspective, or I try to give them myself, before or after offering the grounding perspective of casual gray explanations. Both are important when it comes to occultism, because in order to take proper flight with this philosophy is to understand how the different explanations can be all true at the same time even to the same exact experience. Observing these layers of the mind and reality, the astral experience pointed to by Zeraim is a good example:Aperiemus wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 9:03 am Another example could be: I find myself drawn towards an occult community on the internet for the reason that I don’t find resonance with people near me in the matters of, let’s say, paranormal encounters. If I were to share an experience on a discussion board and then get an answer which feels as someone is downplaying my experience as ”just a projection”, that might not just be frustrating, but also ultimately depressing. I’m left alone with a reality, which apparently seems to be composed of nothing but illusions - according to everyone else, so there must be something wrong with me. A fertile ground for bleak derealization. Or then if this downplaying of my experience causes me to disregard everything that someone else says (I put that someone who downplays into a box labeled "they"), my frustration might prompt me to get cocky and start driving the astral freeway without safety belts on, because "I'll show them how it's done"
Here we observe how there are many layers to these experiences. There is the individual who projects, the projection is happening through different portions of the individual's mind. These portions or principles can be mapped, for example by the Hieroglyphic Key. According to the balance of the principles the projection is made by, the more there is chance for reliable portions of guidance to seep through to the projection. Here we can see that such astral travels are not entirely astral as we hopefully do not shut out the other parts of our minds when adventuring there, but the clairvoyant senses are observing the astral and thus behind interpretations and easily deceivable. It is not the astral which makes it impossible for some of us to hold on to a lie without our projection instantly calling it out, those are the higher principles within us affecting the projection.Zeraim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 24, 2023 7:41 pm You can question and speak with our own subconsciousness directly. And you will very early on notice how different the state is. For example it seems quite impossible to lie in the astral projection. If you try or the other tries, your real motivation or inner thoughts are instantly revealed. After practising for a while, you start to lose the fear of hidden motives of the ghosts etc. And you can more easily distinguish if the encountered spiritual master, angel, daemon, spirit, elemental etc., is just your own projection. As it most often is. And you are aware yourself trying to fool yourself.
Now, with more concrete grip on the matters of this topic, some elements in that astral experience could be seen as the substance on which the projection is made. Their nature allow us to give them forms we will, and the programming we will. Their nature is to follow it blindly even to neutrally vampiristic states or harmfully vampiristic states. This is why it is said that occultists need to eventually become pure even in their dreams and even in their thinking. When we drink coffee each morning, we impress the habit on the astral, which is reinforced by the spirits of the coffea plant, and then this vampiric pattern emerges as an elemental where the elemental pushes our buttons to remember to repeat the pattern and give energy to it. My theory is that portions of elements become elementals in such charged state where they have been given a place of an entity within the electrifying vortex of a human being.
EDIT: Do you see karma imprinted on elements is the same as projections on elements, or do the weight of projection and karma differ somehow?