Nefastos wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 4:51 pm
Soror O wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:07 amWorking with traumatized people, I experiment how my own state of consciousness relates to their being. If I'm consciously or subconsciously trying to fix something in them, I tend to get poor results - however valid, textbook correct and reasonable my "healing actions" may seem on the surface. If I'm just being present and allowing they tend to start healing themselves. This is how it appears to be, in my perspective.
This is a both delicate and important topic.
I think that one is not able (nor asked) to remain neutral. Whatever we are, we are also in the other people's aura of being, so to say. And thus it is not only that we are either trying to fix someone, or we are only there as a catalyst or instrument for their self-help. Rather, I believe in meetings between individuals. (Individuals in the wide sense of the word: also different non-individualized entities, including the very common non- or semi-individualized human beings, that we perhaps all are.) Whenever two beings meet, and there is an attempt at openness at least from one part, the third is born. Even though our meetings so seldom work out as we would have liked them to, meetings are always fruitful for those who have strived for openness. By being actually present for the other. This is equally true in all the different encounters, even in encounters between enemies. For there is a certain kind of openness that can be reached in a certain kind of hostility.
Soror O wrote: ↑Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:38 pm
But to really heal with one's persona, to really be one's own persona one must be able to reside beyond it.
It seems like the intimacy that is shared between a healer and a traumatized person makes the two of them so close to the wound, or operating within the shock state of the wound, that there might be not much at all space for neutral (balanced) individual-to-individual interaction. The interaction has to happen in more subtle levels and the healer has to remain in sort of distanced, therapist, seemingly passive, listener mode when the traumatized person remains in the birth canal with their yet to be individualized parts.
When two more wholly individualized persons converse about difficult questions, the intimacy is closer to fraternal relationship. They operate on the open field, like eagles flying in the open sky, and such state could be seen defining fraternal intimacy with all the highest ideals of the Master’s pupils inner circle, supracarnal & suprasexual* by nature (supra- as in going beyond these concepts), while intimacy in patient relationships or even romantic relationships usually tend to operate within the shock state of the wound, which in a poetic fashion seems to define carnal existence.
In a patient relationship, although being near the shock of the carnal i.e. the red flow of the wound, the healer is perhaps still flying in the sky like an eagle, but doing so in a sort of hidden way, that is not pouring out all the information (”help”) the perspective allows, eventhough it might seems helpful at first glance. It is really hard to see how much one can say and at what point it is allowed to be received. To think of how the Master allows the droplets to fall on the pupils forehead, or when they are withhold!
*For the duration one is able to balance oneself within this inner circle, the sexual powers has been sublimated to a universal state of Love which seeks no emphasis through expression of sexuality, as the meaning of the word is known in our day-to-day lingo, and thus sexually charged carnal magnetism holds not much value at all. Magnetic working is still happening but it focuses on different poles than in a sexual relationship, meaning that the guiding pole is beyond the sensory world and the dynamic focus is on the vertixal axis, rather than horizontal dynamism of carnal sexuality. I'm pointing to sexuality here because it seems to mark this carnal wounded state at large (think of the colour red), yet curiously vanishing from the healers vertical point of view.
As a warning, I must say that my point of view might be somewhat coloured by relatively strict relation to sexuality, so I'm not entirely sure if these views translate well enough to people with different ways to look at things.