Aquila wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pmIt's pointless if you answer to my or someone else's argument that of course you have considered it and you accept those views and then move on to continue with the same as before without making any visible attempts at showing how you have considered other ideas and what you think about them.
I have not necessarily had the time to answer to different view-points, but it doesn't mean I haven't considered and thought about them. Sure, I have continued with the critical stance.
Aquila wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pmPlaying the devil's advocate is also somewhat unnecessary if you only bring up opinions you agree with.
I have thought that the role of the Devil's Advocate is traditionally one of fundamental opposition that brings the other point of view.
Aquila wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pmDisagreeing with your writings is not about judging you but being critical of some of the things you say.
Gladly I have nowadays gotten quite well rid of the paranoid delusion that if someone disagrees with me, he or she must be after me somehow. As the internal judge is quite strong in me nowadays, I think if there's someone who judges it is me.
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Perhaps I should get to know my more gentle feminine side better.
Aquila wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pmIf you want to discuss the medical ethics behind the issue, you have to define those ethics in some way. Others have no intuitive knowledge of what the said ethics include.
Thus far I have only brought forward some ethical questions related to the topic at hand without making a thesis of medical ethics. If I now bring more of those questions to the topic, there are certain things that are often found from those suffering from dysphoria: childhood trauma (abandonment in early age, for example), sexual trauma (molestation/incest), lack of identity, lack of both parents (child affiliating with either the mother or the father / opposite sex), eating disorder, autism, personality disorder and also being born into a family or culture that prefers the other sex (men, usually). Thus I take it to be very irresponsible to offer to minors therapies to find their "true sex" if any of these conditions are present, and I think they should be offered first therapy that deals with these issues that can be seen as root causes. Bringing the esoteric view to the question, who can say for sure they are actually not victims of demonic activity?
Aquila wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pmYou say that human liberty logically leads to suicide clinics (and probably some other ends as well?).
That is not what I argued. I said that if we take human liberty
to do to our bodies whatever we want as an absolute, the logical conclusion is suicide clinics. My Conan example was directed at the same issue to show how medical ethics conflict with fulfillment of desires.
Aquila wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pmYou don't just book a meeting with the doctor to see if maybe you should have some operation and the doctor immediately takes you to the surgery.
DId you read the activist statement I linked? It seems that this really is the procedure at least in some parts of the world.
Aquila wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:34 pmWhen you wish to present arguments based on science, you can not say that the information you provide is free of ideology and the information others brought up was ideologically biased.
It is always good to go to the source, and if lucky, there one will usually find the credibility of the source. It is true that in such an emotionally and ideologically driven issue such as this, ideology of some kind often trumps objective science.