Bi-location and wormholes

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Bi-location and wormholes

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So, a dive to the deep end of occultism. According to modern physics it is altogether possible that if I punch or jump to the wall and all the zillion of atoms are in right place, my fist can punch through the wall or I can walk through walls ; the odds are just minimal. Could it be possible that those who have mastered themselves are in actual possession of this technique of arranging the material atoms by their sheer magical power, and are moving through wormholes to their chosen place? Have they mastered their etheric mayavi-rupa and the resurrection body in such a way that being in two places at once is possible (like those quantum particles/waves that have an effect upon each other millions of miles away and According to the observation of the test)? I'm also thinking of the Master walking on the waters because of Mastering of the elements in oneself.

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I don't believe humans ever can physically break the "basic laws of physics". I mean theory and actuality/ mind and body has two way influence, but there are still their own worlds that has their own laws and rules. What is theoretically possible is not the same that is really possible and meaningful. Meaninful in a sense that I personally don't see much meaning in "possibiliity to physically walk through walls" if I have some emotional/psychological work to do. And I think every human has that kind of work to do for hundreds of years.
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Kenazis wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:03 pmMeaninful in a sense that I personally don't see much meaning in "possibiliity to physically walk through walls" if I have some emotional/psychological work to do. And I think every human has that kind of work to do for hundreds of years.

I think that humankind has so much work to do in those astral fields (i.e. concerning our emotional/psychological inner side) that I'd say that hundreds is not and not even thousands, but what we will need is most likely millions of years before such feats. Unique exceptions are something we should not even think about too much, for if there are superhuman ("previously human"?) masters, they have so much more important things than to punch their sthûla sharîras through the walls, that such possible capabilities are practically meaningless for us to consider: we couldn't fathom what is actually happening. But of course, as our present state of human culture already demonstrates, some things that have only recently seemed like total science fiction, can become outer reality when the time is right.

Gangleri wrote: Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:46 amif I punch or jump to the wall and all the zillion of atoms are in right place, my fist can punch through the wall or I can walk through walls ; the odds are just minimal.

It's not about odds. There is a buddhic field, so to say, that keeps those pesky atoms in their place, and thus Captain Fairbanks will fail every single time he tries to punch through the wall before attaining understanding of that higher kind of solidity that is aura. Only after that, when one has realized the higher principles and with that practical knowledge, one can have their corresponding function downwards to the linga sharîra and perhaps even very specially arranged sthûla sharîra.
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I basically agree about the non-importance of the possible act it self, and I have to say that it was born out of a discussion with my friend who argued me that such a thing is not possible at all, while I remember my more conversant with physics ifriend once very well arguing me that it is actually possible, and out of pure scientific curiosity I made this thread to appease my yearning for discussion of the possibilities that science and Science (Ars Regia) would have to say about the issue from out of synthesis of ancient esoteric knowledge and the actual hard science of that kind of interaction. It is always interesting to discuss even if the thoughts presented would not be the right theories or even if it turn out to be a kind of science fiction with esoteric flavour within it, haha. Possible Star gates also fascinate me as a thought.
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It is also quite humorous to note how science has overstepped many of the more moderate earlier fantasies of occultists. Such feats make it more understandable why so many people come to choose either scientism (science as a belief-based system, e.g. science seen as a proof-giver of some spiritual facts, or lack of those) or a positive New Age attitude, where one thinks that the humankind will soon rocket to accomplishments with the aid of spiritualized science.
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Yet it is interesting that many forerunners of science have studied and practiced also some form of spiritual science or esotericism. Thinking Newton practising alchemy, Tesla studying eastern spiritual views and the Etheric world - I'm also convinced Einstein knew of the Qabala - and I'm quite certain that the list would probably be endless if we knew more about the private studies of many scientists. "The Hidden History of Science" remains to be written as of yet.
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Gangleri wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:15 pmYet it is interesting that many forerunners of science have studied and practiced also some form of spiritual science or esotericism.

The ravine between esotericism and profane science is not nearly as absolute as it is still customary to think. Personally I tend to think that science as we know it is just a highly specialized form of a certain kind of black magic. (By "black" I do not mean "evil": See Fosforos, Legifer & Clavis Magica, chapter 1.)

This should be clear from Einstein's ideas if not from anywhere else, but armies that are gathered around these two flags (occultism contra materialist science) are too enthralled by cultural glamours to see it. Einstein was much more an esotericist than many of those who claim to be. His mathematical metaphysics were able to bridge spirit and matter, and he struggled with ethics too – the vital ingredient.

Gangleri wrote: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:15 pmI'm also convinced Einstein knew of the Qabala

Certainly Einstein knew of Qabala, like every Finn knows of Kalevala. But had he studied it in earnest is another question. For it is not necessary for one to formally study some form of esotericism to duplicate its findings in one's work. These things just happen, because of the oneness of the subject of study.
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