obnoxion wrote:A great book, indeed! And not only for the Feminism and the Satanism, but also for its treatment of Romanticism and Symbolist Art.
When it comes to Abrahamic religions, Jung has wrote that (if I have understood correctly) a new form of a collective spirituality in the West must grow from the Christian past. I think it would be helpful to think Christianity not as an monolith, but as a slow process, connecting many traditional streams from the West, the Middle-East and the Orient. For have there ever been a century without its distinct form of Christianity - or Islam or Judaism, for that matter?
When Pope Pious XII in November 1950 made the infallible dogmatic definition on The Assumption of Mary - that is, "having completed the course of her earthly life, [she] was assumed body and soul into heavenly glory" This act - and I think this is highly interresting in terms of Jungian Psychology, that a public Religious act like this can facilitate so collective an impression - caused the Feminine Principle to rise as the Fourth term into the Pleroma.This fourth term has also been reserved for Satan, after the reconciliation of Satan and Christ. So, keeping these things in mind, I think that modern Feminist Theologies can be quite relevant field of study from our angle, too.
I enjoy reading you comments because your associations are very different from mine. Jung might be right about that. But right now we have science and intellectualism a substitute for spirituality. Christianity was replaced, at least in my country. How could a collectiv new spirituality grow out of intellectualism?
Nefastos wrote:Not necessarily. I think the problem goes much deeper than one's outer sex, and it might be possible that approximately half of the men suffer of this cultural condition, while the same amount of women are not necessarily so badly influenced. One's outer physical sex is one thing and the inner sex can be the opposite – without either being being one's true gender, for the formless spirit itself is without sex. In occultism, we can also speak about "magnetisms" or "polarities" when the words sex or gender become too flammable.
Personally, even though I try to achieve the complete (inner and magical, not outward) hermafroditic stage of the whole magician, I feel content of remaining physically male and psychically more inclined towards femininity – as I understand the word. These are personal – karmic & dharmic – choices, and vary according to people.
Because even our psychical apparatus is "formal" in its own way (part of the lower triad instead of the formless spiritual atma-buddhi-manas), we naturally will need in our life all the different instruments connected to it. Average human being can seldom work without using all the tools of his or her psychical constitution to some extent, and occultist even more rarely. Thus in my life the needs of my spiritual dharma – for example, in the management of the brotherhood – many "manly" virtues have been needed, and I have achieved those too, to some extent, with much work. But usually I enjoy more the feminine approach, when such is possible.
(I also find it hilarious that my great esoteric teacher H.P. Blavatsky was a woman who considered herself more as a male, while I as her disciple identify myself as a soul more female than male. And not only that, but while she despised sexuality and saw it as the gateway to sensuality and black magic, I see the thing just oppositely: that sexuality is a very demanding and important gateway to spirituality and magic true.)
Mh, you are right.
I guess we are talking about the absolute essence of femininity. There sure is a correlation with the sociological/political presence. But is not as high as one might think.
I switched my profession from psychology to hardware developement although my femininity is stronger than ever. But I had to dig very deep to find it. Others might find it faster since there is just a lot of aries/red/mars that used to cover it all.
Loving both polarities is what got me out of misery. Mankind always tried to devide in good/evil but I don't think evil even exists (...expect from Finnish grammar that is just pure torture)
I'd like to hear your definition of femininity and the role of death within it. Just because mine does not come from literature but from meditaiton and therfor comparing them could be interesting.
We are all mixed beings and maybe tho most empathic ones are those who are able to unterstand both principles.
Magnetism is a good word, I used to compare it to electricity. Kepping both priciples alive in one person is the sorce of a high voltage coming from two opposite poles.
Sexuality sure plays an important role in spirituality for it is unleashing energies and it activates a creative force. While I reject every kind of marriage/relationship and reproduction, sexuality is still a very positive thing fo me.
BTW Blavatsky is a great autor and a fascinating personalty.
"Fosforos" is standing right next to "the secret doctrine" in my book shelf because I there are some theoretical similarities.