Mormonism & Luciferian Concepts of Godhood

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Mormonism & Luciferian Concepts of Godhood

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One question that I have concerning Luciferianism & Satanism is the reoccurring theme of 'godhood'. Most information I have studied on the subject in this area is not much different then the tenets that exist within the Mormon church. The Mormons do believe that if they follow 'god's plan' that eventually they will all become gods & goddesses & will inherit their own worlds in which they may create more people in order to continue the process of salvation. Most Luciferian & Satanic works I've studied contend that godhood is the ultimate goal to be achieved by those who practice the Dark Arts. Within Gnosticism the idea of godhood is abhorrent! The ultimate goal to be achieved by the Gnostic would be the cessation of all life & elimination of the creative forces in the Universe & the returning of the Lifeforces of created beings back to th Source, ie, the realms of the Agnostos Theos, the Unknown God. So when the term Luciferian Gnosticism appears, I assume that the tenets, or principle teachings, of this would be primarily to remove the creative powers of the demiurge by bringing gnosis or knowledge to the world & ending the cycle of life & death. I don't really understand the connection between achieving godhood, becoming god's equal, or why anyone would want to become a god. Can you explain this to me & why? I don't see any point to godhood except to achieve absolute power & pure unadulterated corruption to be achieved by it.
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I think many that uses the title Luciferian Gnosticism use it loosely. Gnosticism is to seek gnosis that is interpreted as knowledge. What this knowledge is, varies by person claiming to seek it. But, about the Mormons and Luciferians…Becoming god/attaining godhood is the connecting point of these two, but what the Mormons and Luciferians mean by godhood might be very different things. I haven’t heard or read any Luciferian source that would see the god, Lucifer and Christ in similar sense than Mormons do. Christ is older brother of Lucifer and Elohim(God) is their father + God was once a man and similarly we all can become like him. What you describe to be Luciferian Gnosticism seems pretty good description to me. I think what would be big problem to Luciferian with Mormonism (along with obvious moral-dimension) is that in the end Mormons worship and obey father-figure god that was once a man.
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Kenazis wrote:...father-figure god that was once a man.


While the psychological, let alone metaphysical problems in this are immense, your words remind me of the teaching in the Secret Doctrine that a human state is an unavoidable rung in all evolution of spirit. The tiniest soul of a microbe is destined to become a man someday, and the highest divinity has been a human being in some distant past universe.

But, this regretfully is a doctrine that awakens wrong associations in anyone who is not actually able to vision the tremendous amount of time & therefore change needed for this, and also how different things "human" can mean in vastly different living conditions. What a "human being" is in some distant star is most likely not only impossible for us to detect at all, but also if somehow perceived, would most likely hide its alien intelligence (ability to reason being the prime requisite of the fivefold human being) under a form that would seem to us like a mineral, a chemical reaction, a weather effect, an equation, or some unbelieavable biological monstrosity (like we ourselves are) made up by the cooperation of guiding thought & unfinished physical evolution.

EDIT: Thanks for spotting the pesky typo, Kenazis.
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Nefastos wrote:your words remind me of the teaching in the Secret Doctrine that a human state is an avoidable rung in all evolution of spirit. The tiniest soul of a microbe is destined to become a man someday, and the highest divinity has been a human being in some distant past universe..
you mean unavoidable? Just to be sure.
Nefastos wrote:But, this regretfully is a doctrine that awakens wrong associations in anyone who is not actually able to vision the tremendous amount of time & therefore change needed for this, and also how different things "human" can mean in vastly different living conditions. What a "human being" is in some distant star is most likely not only impossible for us to detect at all, but also if somehow perceived, would most likely hide its alien intelligence (ability to reason being the prime requisite of the fivefold human being) under a form that would seem to us like a mineral, a chemical reaction, a weather effect, an equation, or some unbelieavable biological monstrosity (like we ourselves are) made up by the cooperation of guiding thought & unfinished physical evolution.
Both, Church of Latter Day Saints and Jehovah's Witnesses, has interesting mythology behind them. Both have been heavily influenced By occult doctrines, but neither admits it. This denial of their roots will always give birth problems that stains the possibility of good they might otherwise generate.
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Kenazis wrote:you mean unavoidable? Just to be sure.


Ah, indeed. Must be my wishful thinking making the Freudian slips. Corrected.

Kenazis wrote:This denial of their roots will always give birth problems that stains the possibility of good they might otherwise generate.


This, by the way, is a very good point regarding all sorts of occult shools, including the semi & pseudo variants. It is a very good way to sever the succession of inspiration (in the word's deep occult sense), which is the most vital part of any spiritual enterprise.
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Mormonism is verily based on Freemasonry, so there is a certain connection with luciferianism.
Vavrinec wrote: Mon Sep 26, 2016 5:15 amI don't really understand the connection between achieving godhood, becoming god's equal, or why anyone would want to become a god. Can you explain this to me & why? I don't see any point to godhood except to achieve absolute power & pure unadulterated corruption to be achieved by it.
Even in non-gnostic Christian thought there is an idea that man can become God's co-creator by achieving an angelic state. This doesn't make man The God (Absolute DIvinity), but a god - a divine being. Regarding power and corruption, you seem to have a very human idea of power as it expresses itself for example in a totalitarian dictatorship (which certainly leads to ultimate corruption of man). Spiritual power never seeks to harm or violate; it works by inspiration, enlightenment and elevation.
Nefastos wrote: Thu Mar 08, 2018 10:56 am The tiniest soul of a microbe is destined to become a man someday, and the highest divinity has been a human being in some distant past universe.
Certainly you didn't mean that the Absolute has in some distant past been a human being?
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Rúnatýr wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:24 pmCertainly you didn't mean that the Absolute has in some distant past been a human being?

No, no. By "the highest divinity" I meant the Logos, which is of the same substance with the human genius, even though our genii are the tiniest sparks flying from (and in!) Him.

Rúnatýr wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:24 pmMormonism is verily based on Freemasonry, so there is a certain connection with luciferianism.

This opens an interesting discussion of its own: how do we define Luciferianism? Personally I see Freemasonry & Luciferianism as being quite separate, but I understand what you are referring to.

This mostly comes back to the either manasic or kâma manasic interpretation of Lucifer. For the gnostic Luciferianist, Lucifer is uncreated light, apparently darkness (in the Eastern sense). For the Right Hand Path follower – the type who makes up the internet conspiracy theories about the Luciferian Illuminati – Lucifer is kâma manas, the architecht demiurge, who seeks to control the world.

These two are the opposite poles of the same rod of the "Lord of this world". They truly come together in, for example, the White aspect approach (which unites the lower White of aetheric Stone to the higher White which is abstraction playing freely with manifestation). But when they are not first clearly taken apart, one cannot understand their unity. When the ponderers of the Illuminati start to use the paradox logic without understanding its spiritual core, everything becomes possible to see everywhere, and thus everything is lost. (Wherein we see how deceptionally similar enlightenment and madness apparently are.)
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You mean Illuminati, as in the enlightement secret brotherhood? Which has nothing to do with the lizzard people, from the earths interior. Freemasons I see as a kind of corrupt and exoteric form of the Rose Cross. I have lots of respect for the Illuminati and the Rose Cross, but Freemasons need a pineapple in the ass.
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Nefastos wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:41 am No, no. By "the highest divinity" I meant the Logos, which is of the same substance with the human genius, even though our genii are the tiniest sparks flying from (and in!) Him.
So I thought! :-)
Nefastos wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:41 am
This opens an interesting discussion of its own: how do we define Luciferianism? Personally I see Freemasonry & Luciferianism as being quite separate, but I understand what you are referring to.
Sure, I didn't mean they are the same. What I meant is that I believe it is the Freemasons who for the first time in literature referred to the positive role of Lucifer instead of continuing the age old exoteric interpretation of seeing Lucifer as the bad guy. And I think this comes down also to the exoteric/esoteric divide in general where freemasonry can certainly been seen as a form of luciferianism.
Nefastos wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 9:41 am These two are the opposite poles of the same rod of the "Lord of this world".
I like to think this issue in this way: Lucifer as manas-buddhi / Logos is connected to "Lord of the world" and Satan as kama-manas is the "Lord of this world", the "pricenps huius mundi" of the biblical thought. For there is a very certain difference between epiteths the/this as seen from the spiritual perspective. I have for example pondered quite alot of the SoA affiliation of Sanatkumara to Satan.
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Rúnatýr wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:46 pmFor there is a very certain difference between epiteths the/this as seen from the spiritual perspective. I have for example pondered quite alot of the SoA affiliation of Sanatkumara to Satan.

Yes. I wrote quite a lot about this in Argarizim. Sanat Kumara, the Eternal Young, is also dealt there under the kabbalistic name of Metatron, similarly called the Young. It doesn't make the topic any easier that Melkisedek and another iuventus, namely St. John the Younger (the evangelist) join to the same torrent of epithets, archetypes & heavenly offices.

Benemal wrote: Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:20 pmYou mean Illuminati, as in the enlightement secret brotherhood? Which has nothing to do with the lizzard people, from the earths interior. Freemasons I see as a kind of corrupt and exoteric form of the Rose Cross. I have lots of respect for the Illuminati and the Rose Cross, but Freemasons need a pineapple in the ass.

Freemasons divide the opinions sometimes strongly, but their at least historical importance behind the esoteric movements in the West are hard to deny. I.e. the freemason roots of the Golden Dawn, which in turn gave birth to much of the modern ritual magic- and Thelemitic organizations.
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