Reading Circle (Blavatsky: The Secret Doctrine)

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Re: Reading Circle (Blavatsky: The Secret Doctrine)

Postby Silvaeon » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:36 am

Aquila wrote:
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Also considering that our knowledge of the Nature has gradually increased we might in some ways add new things to our esoteric understanding as well (like how the newer planets add something to the system).
This something I've thought about every so often as well - how to to reconcile these newer discoveries with the older ideas, as 7 is such a prevalent number. If anyone has any insight, it would be welcome!
Maybe it's bit too optimistic thinking but I tend to believe that certain kind of scientific discoveries symbolize somewhat similar possibilities or potentiality on the spiritual level. Naturally we don't have so much history and symbolism around the newer planets as they are not part of the "old system" but present some kind of new details that can and will be added to esoteric worldview when the time is ripe. I think it's like the idea that only some parts of the secret doctrine have been revealed this far or that only the first four initiations (referring to Nefastos' book Adept) can be reached on certain level of humanity but new secrets and possibilities are slowly revealed though they are still far from being part of any collective understanding. Yet I don't think we have so much urgent need to think of the esoteric meanings of the planets behind Saturn as we're still pretty much trying to understand and live by the ideals of the first ones :)
I see that in my hectic schedule, I forgot to thank you for this - looking at it this way is very helpful and makes a lot of sense!
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Re: Reading Circle (Blavatsky: The Secret Doctrine)

Postby Silvaeon » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:20 am

I'm afraid my summaries/thoughts are going to become a little more scattered and less useful right now, as there is so much to take in with this stanza that its a little (a lot) overwhelming, but I persevere. And apologies for the repetitiveness, but writing these things out really does help them to stick to me.

1. The last vibration of the seventh eternity thrills through infinitude. The mother swells, expanding from within without like the bud of the lotus.

Blavatsky starts off with some more discussion on time. We've reached the end of the Pralaya of seven eternities, and the "eternal and changeless law" begins the next cycle. The expansions from the Mother ("waters of space") doesn't have anything to do with an increase in size, but instead a change of condition - of course because of its infinite and absolute properties we've been talking about. The Lotus is again used, as it contains a miniature version of itself in its seed - meaning the absolute contains the prototype for everything within it. She then goes on to talk about the meaning of a Manvantara, or cycle of activity, "between two Manus." I feel like this is a gem to keep in the back of my mind: "esoterically, every Manu, as an anthropomorphized patron of his special cycle (or Round), is but the personified idea of the “ Thought Divine ” (as the Hermetic “ Pymander ”) ; each of the Manus, therefore, being the special god, the creator and fashioner of all that appears during his own respective cycle of being or Manvantara. Fohat runs the Manus’ (or Dhyan-Chohans’) errands, and causes the ideal prototypes to expand from within without—viz., to cross gradually, on a descending scale, all the planes from the noumenon to the lowest phenomenon, to bloom finally on the last into full objectivity—the acme of illusion, or the grossest matter."

2. The vibration sweeps along, touching with its swift wing the whole universe, and the germ that dwelleth in darkness : the darkness that breathes over the slumbering waters of life.

I already had to flip back to the last Stanza and remember that "the germ" represents a point (not physical) as abstract matter, and it exists in every atom, which are collectively "The Germ", the force behind eternal matter. So, as space is swelling, the vibration touches everything, including that germ which is going to birth matter. I enjoyed the talk about water symbolizing "primordial matter with latent spirit" and "the base and source of material existence."
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Re: Reading Circle (Blavatsky: The Secret Doctrine)

Postby Aquila » Tue Aug 13, 2019 3:34 pm

Stanza III
1. . . . The last vibration of the seventh eternity thrills
through infinitude. The mother swells, expanding from within
without, like the bud of the lotus.
2. The vibration sweeps along, touching with its swift wing the
whole universe and the germ that dwelleth in darkness : the
darkness that breathes over the slumbering waters of life. . .
3. Darkness radiates light, and light drops one solitary ray
into the mother-deep. The ray shoots through the virgin egg
the ray causes the eternal egg to thrill, and drop the noneternal germ, which condenses into the world-egg.
If I get it right I think Blavatsky writes basically about the same thing in all of the commentaries about these first three parts of the Stanza. The idea basically seems to be that the ray of light coming from the darkness impregnates the mother chaos (the sleeping waters of life). The chaos is the sum of all the possibilities and from here all the possible manifestations are drawn into existence. When the divine thought or godly consciousness enters the chaos it creates the creator which gives existence to everything that lies in these sleeping waters. The egg is everywhere all the time and is penetrated by consciousness and together they give birth to everything we (or any other living being) can experience. The most confusing part is the very first commentary where Blavatsky writes about Mahat and how various eso- or exoteric schools interpretate it. This part is something I don't really get.
4. Then the three fall into the four. The radiant essence
becomes seven inside, seven outside. The luminous egg, which
in itself is three, curdles and spreads in milk-white curds
throughout the depths of mother, the root that grows in the
depths of the ocean of life
The ray coming from the Darkness, Chaos and their Son that is the creator are the first triangle which give birth to the four, a square, that is further differentiated by the seven that is the first three plus four - seven inside. Seven outside is their appearance in all the further manifested existence that is their image. At least this is how I intrepret. Seven outside is also the suncross or swastika within a circle (as circle is the luminous essence of the three as one) that is not only a number anymore but the movement itself = creation, existence, life. Different kind of crosses are an interesting subject to ponder in this context and how they present different meanings esoterically. For example how the basic christian cross is different compared to the suncross.

Blavatsky writes of the milky-way as the milk-white curds that spread in the depths of mother and milky-way was the only known physical existence back then as other galaxies weren't found yet but it doesn't really change anything. Everything glowing upon the darkness of space are the milk-white curds given birth from the darkness and chaos to be given a form and order for limited time.
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Re: Reading Circle (Blavatsky: The Secret Doctrine)

Postby Silvaeon » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:05 am

3. “ Darkness ” radiates light, and light drops one solitary ray into the waters, into the mother deep. The ray shoots through the virgin-egg ; the ray causes the eternal egg to thrill, and drop the non-eternal germ, which condenses into the world egg.

I think I have this right now? In the previous stanza, "the ray had not yet flashed into the germ", but now we see this happening. The ray is that of life, and it impregnates the virgin-egg laying within the waters of life (being primordial matter and latent spirit.) This virgin-egg is eternal and never changing, containing within it the potential for everything. From this eternal egg now fertilized with life comes the "germ" which manifests as abstract matter and the world or mundane egg. This world egg contains within it the potential for the universe as we are able to understand it, and this is "non-eternal" from our point of view, prone to creation and destruction/ inbreathing and outbreathing of the divine breath. I very much enjoyed picturing the ouroboros within this mundane egg the way Blavatsky described it. More or less repeating what Aquila said above.

4. Then the three fall into the four. The radiant essence becomes seven inside, seven outside. The luminous egg, which in itself is three, curdles and spreads in milk-white curds throughout the depths of mother, the root that grows in the ocean of life.

Going back to reference stanza two again, Mother ("waters of life"), and Father (male creator) [collectively the female and male principles of the root nature], and their son (the universe), have now been struck by the ray of life and the three have become four. I remember the seven (dhyhan-chohans) being described as the creators of our planetary chain. So the further differentiation (the 3+4 inside) makes sense to me if the outward appearance is as the dhyhan-chohans. Thanks for your comments Aquila, it got my brain going when I was struggling a bit with this part. And of course the spreading of milk white curds is the milky way being formed.

5. The root remains, the light remains, the curds remain, and still Oeaohoo is one.

I first learned of Oeaohoo from Fra Mimesis. I find myself quite unsure how to discuss this particular word, but find it most easy to think of it as "a name for the manifested one life" as Blavatsky says. The point of this section #5 is just that although the root, the ray, and the first form of differentiated matter may appear to be separate, they are all One.
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Re: Reading Circle (Blavatsky: The Secret Doctrine)

Postby Aquila » Wed Aug 14, 2019 11:42 am

Stanza III continues
5. The root remains, the light remains, the curds remain, and
still Oeaohoo is one.
Here is mentioned the six in one that is the original three forming another three and one between which makes up the septenary root of existence. Ahamkara was mentioned earlier in the text and it is the sense of separate existence that is already born in the very first processes of manifestation. This is a part of Antahkarana, the two-way bridge which is the conveyor between higher and lower that is travelled by the consciousness in various degrees. Anyway, everything is filled with the roots of life, thus the antahkarana is also within all life. This idea that seems dual only so in the other end of the bridge where the consciousness has not yet made everything luminous, making it maya, the imagined separate existence. Well, I'm not so happy with this explanation but it's all so difficult to make into words :)
6. The root of life was in every drop of the ocean of immortality, and the ocean was radiant light, which was fire, and heat, and motion. Darkness vanished and was no more ; it disappeared in its own essence, the body of fire and water, or father and mother.
Well, I was little bit ahead of the text in my previous comment. While darkness is the actual spiritual essence behind all existence, light is the root of life coming from the darkness. We can not reach the darkness but only the light of life spawned from it. The spirit can not be seen in physical sense but is only known invisibly by it's active aspects in the physical world and to human the central aspect is the sense of I am which is a small drop of Alaya, the universal soul. I might be completely lost here.

Lucifer/Satan is also first time mentioned in this chapter which I find quite logical considering the light/darkness duality and it's actual oneness.
7. Behold, oh Lanoo! The radiant child of the two, the unparalleled refulgent glory : Bright Space Son of Dark Space,
which emerges from the depths of the great dark waters. It is
Oeaohoo the younger, the * * * He shines forth as the son ;
he is the blazing Divine Dragon of Wisdom ; the One is Four,
and Four takes to itself Three,† and the Union produces the
Sapta, in whom are the seven which become the Tridasa (or the
hosts and the multitudes). Behold him lifting the veil and
unfurling it from east to west. He shuts out the above, and
leaves the below to be seen as the great illusion. He marks
the places for the shining ones, and turns the upper into a
shoreless sea of fire, and the one manifested into the great
waters.
I'm not sure but Oeaohoo reminds me of Adam Kadmon, the spiritual essence of original man that contains the divine thought and “ He who bathes in the light of Oeaohoo will never be deceived by the veil of Mâyâ.” In a way the veil of Maya is the only evil there is. Theosophy wiki says that it comes from the words mā "not" and yā "this" which would result in the illusion of being separate from some part of the totality of the whole existence and in various degrees.
The connection of the dragon, serpent, astral light (which I guess is not to be mixed up with what the astral often means nowadays) and physical matter is so vast here that I think I need a lot more time to ponder upon it. I believe these ideas mentioned here are in the heart of all occultism.

Avalokiteśvara is also mentioned which again brings my mind back to Lucifer-Satan.

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