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Re: Sports / physical exercise

Postby Mimesis » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:06 pm

I haven’t commented on this before, because other than agreeing, I had little to add to what those whom have expressed a strong feeling of connection between physicality/physical training and the great work of the spirit have already said.

Recently however, I have considered consistency to be a very great lesson that one can take from physical training, and apply to spiritual work.

For a variety of reasons, the consistency of my own physical training has been sporadic and lacking for at least the past year, although never entirely absent. In these moments of short time, low motivation and lethargy, one falls very easily into the traps of questioning what impact missing one training session will really have. But this 'one time' can itself devalue and turn into our impression of consistency.

Each training session may sometimes - or often - independently seem futile, but in actual fact are each as vital as each other, in reaching for that point of growth toward which we strive. They are each a sum of a much greater part.

Whether one engages in any physical training or not, I think this lesson of consistency is an important one, and largely underpins the greater reasons of mine for maintaining physical training.

Our occult work is much the same, in that each and every step, no matter how small, are imperative.

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In short, in my early teens and the years that preceded such an age, I had thought the opposite to what I do now - that being, very little positivity toward any physical training. On quite the contrary, I childishly welcomed the breakdown of my body and any consequences that may entail.
This even strengthened when I first began taking my spirituality seriously, as I first adopted the rigid stance of abhorring my body and all things relating to it, and saw no merit in taking any kind of care of it.

However, toward the latter years of my teens, I developed a strong sense of disconnection. Essentially, I feel I had entirely misunderstood the demands of the great work, and was flawed in my personal neglect of my body, predominantly due to the effects it was having on my mind and spirit. Initially, this realisation was directed toward stopping a number of vices that I was regularly using, but eventually also made way for consistent physical training - predominantly in the form of running and later in varying periods of functional strength training - which I have more or less maintained consistently for the past decade or so since.

I now see no difference or separation between the work I do with my body and the work I do with my spirit. Each offer lessons for the other to learn, like a mirror falling from both the dawn and the dusk.
And even on a very simple level, a physical vitality can only benefit the demands and energy required for occult and esoteric work.
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Re: Sports / physical exercise

Postby Ormr » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:07 pm

And even on a very simple level, a physical vitality can only benefit the demands and energy required for occult and esoteric work.
To me this is the key. There are many studies available that correlate physical fitness with cognitive efficiency, as well. On a personal level, I find that most areas of my life benefit from a regular physical regiment, from esoteric work and meditation to musicianship and extra focus at my place of employment.
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Re: Sports / physical exercise

Postby Cerastes » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:57 pm

It surely depends on the personal temperament but for me physical activity is absolutely vital. Others might get into the state of energetic passivity more easily but I’m struggling with it because I’m either active or lethargic. Running through the forest for an hour or so is one way to wake up the mind and calm down my body so it won’t distract me anymore. It feels like my body wants to run so I let it run until it is finally shuts up to let me do my work.
Jiva wrote:Basically, if something’s physically hard work and repetitive (rowing and weight lifting in my case), then I kind of fall into varying degrees of ‘trance’ (or whatever), especially if I'm listening to some repetitive ambient/folk/krautrock at the same time. In some ways I suppose it’s similar to being drunk: an hour passes in what feels like a few minutes, random ideas occur spontaneously etc.

I suppose I’m kind of lucky in that I have a ‘man cave’ – my weights, rowing machine, guitars and books are kept in the same room – so if I feel like dipping into a book halfway through working out then I can. Or, if I’m lifting weights and I notice a book on a bookshelf, I might remember something particularly interesting, or link one concept from one book to another, and so on.

On a personal level, I’ve participated in some sort of sport all my life, so when I don’t exercise or eat (relatively) healthily then I just feel tired and incapable of doing anything. Unfortunately, in the past, I’ve been an idiot (or sometimes just unfortunate) and have loads of old injuries that still affect me today and probably always will, but accepting this has been a valuable learning process in itself.
Yeah, that goes for me too. Especially the idiot-part. :lol: After numerous injuries and titanium nails through my bones (surgeon already called me female jesus to make fun of me) I decided to be a little less idiotic and more carful.

But in my opinion even excessive sports can be a good tool too if done with the necessary amount of self-reflection. I used to run until I could barely stand of my feet anymore and go into trance as soon as the pulse is down. A very efficient way of working.
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Re: Sports / physical exercise

Postby Mimesis » Wed Aug 01, 2018 9:33 am

Red Bird wrote: Running through the forest for an hour or so is one way to wake up the mind and calm down my body so it won’t distract me anymore....
I think that I can fully understand and relate to what you say here, but I would interpret it almost as the antithesis to this.
Running for me has become the closest thing to meditation that I can achieve. In the moments that I spend running, although my body is in its most active, engaged and demanding of states, my mind is the closest it ever is to being silenced, calm and still.
The thoughts and mental movement that do happen whilst running - most of the time, at least - are the most inspired I ever have and are as removed from rationality and self-deprecation that I ever become.
I learn many things about myself in those moments, and in the personal and tangible suffering that comes in running long distance - when ones mind must overcome ones body - I think there can be interesting threads to relating and meditating more deeply on the greater concept, meaning and reality of suffering.
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Re: Sports / physical exercise

Postby Cerastes » Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:00 pm

Omoksha wrote:
Red Bird wrote: Running through the forest for an hour or so is one way to wake up the mind and calm down my body so it won’t distract me anymore....
I think that I can fully understand and relate to what you say here, but I would interpret it almost as the antithesis to this.
Running for me has become the closest thing to meditation that I can achieve. In the moments that I spend running, although my body is in its most active, engaged and demanding of states, my mind is the closest it ever is to being silenced, calm and still.
The thoughts and mental movement that do happen whilst running - most of the time, at least - are the most inspired I ever have and are as removed from rationality and self-deprecation that I ever become.
I learn many things about myself in those moments, and in the personal and tangible suffering that comes in running long distance - when ones mind must overcome ones body - I think there can be interesting threads to relating and meditating more deeply on the greater concept, meaning and reality of suffering.
Indeed, you seem to function a little different from me at this point.
A few years ago I read a book from a Benedictine monk called fra Michael Bauer “Die Seele läuft mit” (=The spirit is running with you) who mixed Christian spirituality with far eastern meditation practices and applied it to running. It would fit perfectly in your way of meditational running practice but I don’t think there is an English version available. He describes running as a primordial state of a human being. Therefor it releases hidden energies, thoughts and emotions that are usually beyond the surface, which is exactly what happens during mediation.

In most cases, running is not really a meditation for me. It’s just necessary because I’m in office or laboratory all day and it makes me feel like a tiger in a cage. But that depends on a person’s individual temperament.
Yet, there is a point when your body gives you a clear signal to stop running- usually with some kind of pain that can be ignored relatively easy. That would be the moment when the mind overcomes the body. If I go on from this point the whole perception changes and it becomes some kind of spiritual practice because in my opinion this kind of moderate pain has a cleaning effect on the mind. But I need to remind myself on a regular basis to not overdo things like that.
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Re: Sports / physical exercise

Postby obnoxion » Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:00 pm

Red Bird wrote:
Fri Aug 10, 2018 4:00 pm
Omoksha wrote:
Red Bird wrote: Running through the forest for an hour or so is one way to wake up the mind and calm down my body so it won’t distract me anymore....
I think that I can fully understand and relate to what you say here, but I would interpret it almost as the antithesis to this.
Running for me has become the closest thing to meditation that I can achieve. In the moments that I spend running, although my body is in its most active, engaged and demanding of states, my mind is the closest it ever is to being silenced, calm and still.
The thoughts and mental movement that do happen whilst running - most of the time, at least - are the most inspired I ever have and are as removed from rationality and self-deprecation that I ever become.
I learn many things about myself in those moments, and in the personal and tangible suffering that comes in running long distance - when ones mind must overcome ones body - I think there can be interesting threads to relating and meditating more deeply on the greater concept, meaning and reality of suffering.
Indeed, you seem to function a little different from me at this point.
A few years ago I read a book from a Benedictine monk called fra Michael Bauer “Die Seele läuft mit” (=The spirit is running with you) who mixed Christian spirituality with far eastern meditation practices and applied it to running. It would fit perfectly in your way of meditational running practice but I don’t think there is an English version available. He describes running as a primordial state of a human being. Therefor it releases hidden energies, thoughts and emotions that are usually beyond the surface, which is exactly what happens during mediation.

In most cases, running is not really a meditation for me. It’s just necessary because I’m in office or laboratory all day and it makes me feel like a tiger in a cage. But that depends on a person’s individual temperament.
Yet, there is a point when your body gives you a clear signal to stop running- usually with some kind of pain that can be ignored relatively easy. That would be the moment when the mind overcomes the body. If I go on from this point the whole perception changes and it becomes some kind of spiritual practice because in my opinion this kind of moderate pain has a cleaning effect on the mind. But I need to remind myself on a regular basis to not overdo things like that.
I can relate to what you are saying. I don't run because of lower back problems, but I take long fast walks (at the moment my pace is about 6,5 to 7 km/h). I've bee doing this for half a year quite regalur, and I have had one or two such experiences of going over the boundary of moderate pain, and going to a state where I really cannot separate my self from my surroundings. I go sort of comfortably numb. All the effort seems to stop and the movement just feels like transportation or like walking in the air.

Nowdays I tend to do most of my creative writing while walking. It has become a vital spiritual practice for me.
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Re: Sports / physical exercise

Postby Cerastes » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:21 pm

obnoxion wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 11:00 pm
I can relate to what you are saying. I don't run because of lower back problems, but I take long fast walks (at the moment my pace is about 6,5 to 7 km/h). I've bee doing this for half a year quite regalur, and I have had one or two such experiences of going over the boundary of moderate pain, and going to a state where I really cannot separate my self from my surroundings. I go sort of comfortably numb. All the effort seems to stop and the movement just feels like transportation or like walking in the air.

Nowdays I tend to do most of my creative writing while walking. It has become a vital spiritual practice for me.
Yes, exactly. Walking a longer distance can be a little like repeating a mantra. At a certain point the sensual percepation starts changing like and it feels like being part of the forest because I hear and see the surrounding differently. The effect is even stronger in a monotone environment like a desert or a big frozen lake. At some point it is not monotone anymore because you are able to sense it's different energies. I'm a little sensitive with energies and all the interference signals of everyday life are exhausting. Maybe this is what goes numb/silent after walking longer distances.
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