Lucifer-Christos

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Oh damn, I'm sorry!

Here is the rough translation: In the Nordic model I have followed past years Heimdallr represents to me Lucifer and Odhinn represents Christos, or manas-buddhi and atma-buddhi, respectively. Heimdallr is said to be a hypostasis of Odhinn which combines these two figures beautifully.
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Boreas wrote:
Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:58 pm
Here is the rough translation: In the Nordic model I have followed past years Heimdallr represents to me Lucifer and Odhinn represents Christos, or manas-buddhi and atma-buddhi, respectively. Heimdallr is said to be a hypostasis of Odhinn which combines these two figures beautifully.
Thanks for the translation.
I came to the conclusion that it is best to take the model which siutes the own mindet or imprinting best. The archetypes can be found in Nordic mythology as well as in Greek, Persian or even Celtic mythology. I remember that brother Nefastos compared Lucifer-Christos to the Nordic gods too, but I don’t remember where. At the social or cultural level, of course it causes a very different reaction whether you talk about Heimdall, Prometeus or Satan. Sometimes I think the name Satan is too much pullted with various implications in our latitude, but perhaps making negative implications visible instead of running away from them is the point of rejecting the dualistic worldview.
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Cerastes wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:45 pm
The archetypes can be found in Nordic mythology as well as in Greek, Persian or even Celtic mythology. I remember that brother Nefastos compared Lucifer-Christos to the Nordic gods too, but I don’t remember where.
Most definitely. In the Greek pantheon the most obvious connection with Lucifer is of course Prometheus, and Heracles as Christos. I don't know enough of Persian or Celctic mythology to point out correspondences but they can be found therein also of course. In the lithuanian mythology there are also very obvious connections since basically all (Indo-)European mythologies stem from the same root.
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At the social or cultural level, of course it causes a very different reaction whether you talk about Heimdall, Prometeus or Satan. Sometimes I think the name Satan is too much polluted with various implications in our latitude, but perhaps making negative implications visible instead of running away from them is the point of rejecting the dualistic worldview.
That's true. In the Nordic model I have followed the place of Satan (or kama-manas) is reserved for Loki. In the Ragnarök - which I interpret microcosmically as initiation into mysteries - Loki and Heimdallr are said to fight and kill each other, and I have interpreted it as expressing the trancendence of the lower mind into the Higher Self.
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Boreas wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:27 pm
Heracles as Christos
I have an argument that Heracles, Satan and Buddhist Vajrapani are strongly connected. Alas, the short discussion is in Finnish, but perhaps I will make a short English parahprase of it, in case it will add to this conversation:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=805
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obnoxion wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:04 pm
Boreas wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:27 pm
Heracles as Christos
I have an argument that Heracles, Satan and Buddhist Vajrapani are strongly connected. Alas, the short discussion is in Finnish, but perhaps I will make a short English parahprase of it, in case it will add to this conversation:

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=805
Interesting view! My own correspondence with Heracles and Christos stems solely from the mythical point of view of Heracles as a saviour of Prometheus. Links could be drawn to esoteric christian view of Jesus as a saviour or liberator of Lucifer.
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