Numerical Symbolism

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Numerical Symbolism

Postby Jiva » Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:20 pm

So, does anyone have any numerical symbolism they would like to share?

A favourite of mine is the numerical similarity of the Hebrew words for “messiah” and “serpent”; both add to 358:
  • Messiah (Moshiach – M, Sh, Y, Ch; 40, 300, 10, 8)
  • Serpent (Nachash – N, Ch, Sh; 50, 8, 300)
One interpretation is that the serpent of Eden can deceive or liberate as a barrier or bridge depending on one's point of view. I think this is also relevant to our recent discussion regarding the Kliphoth.

I thought I'd also use this post/topic to ask if anyone knows if there are any traditions of gematria (or similar practices) in languages other than Arabic, Greek and Hebrew, for example Sanskrit or Asian languages? Sanskrit gematria is obliquely mentioned in David Fideler's Jesus Christ, Sun of God, but isn't expanded on at all. I've always wondered how some religious scholars in the Hindu tradition calculated the various ages of the world, perhaps there is a gematrial aspect?

Here's some helpful Wiki links that contain the numerical values of the letters of the Arabic, Greek and Hebrew languages:
Arabic – Abjad numerals.
Greek – Isopsephy.
Hebrew – Gematria. For completeness, in Hebrew there is also notarikon, temurah and the Atbash and aiq beker (towards the bottom of the page) ciphers.
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Re: Numerical Symbolism

Postby Fomalhaut » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:45 pm

A favourite of mine is the numerical similarity of the Hebrew words for “messiah” and “serpent”; both add to 358:
Messiah (Moshiach – M, Sh, Y, Ch; 40, 300, 10, 8)
Serpent (Nachash – N, Ch, Sh; 50, 8, 300)

Related to this, I am currently reading a book about Kabbalah written by Ginsburg and for example it is mentioned in the book that the word Metatron is numerically equivalent to Shaddai (God) in Hebrew gematria. I will start to study gematria in the future, doing a step-by-step study on Jewish mysticism nowadays.

Could Messiah and Serpent be the thesis and anti-thesis but of the same source thus having the same numbers? As I said, I am a newbie in this topic, so this was just a thought :)

I did not hear any other numerical systems except gematria so the Arabic and Greek ones are new to me. Thanks for sharing, Frater!
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Re: Numerical Symbolism

Postby Nefastos » Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:08 am

Jiva wrote:I've always wondered how some religious scholars in the Hindu tradition calculated the various ages of the world, perhaps there is a gematrial aspect?


There might be, but I think it was mostly from the correspondences of the celestial alphabet (cf. the end part of M.P. Hall's quote about the Tower of Babel) applied with the help of spiritual "revelation" given by intelligences of devic & asuric origin. If you have much time & energy to put into this search at some point, I can suggest some extremely heavy reading: Surya Siddhanta. It has been translated by Burgess & Whitney in the 19th century & published in the (completely awesome) Secret Doctrine Reference Series by Wizard's Bookshelf. It's an ancient text of Hindu astrology/astronomy, supposedly given to the ancients by demon Asuramaya. (Quite a bad ass name by the way, for in sanskrit asuras are titan-demons not unlike our fallen angels, while maya is the name of both illusion and magic.) I don't even dream about going through this occult brickstone in any near future, but if one is very interested in the subject, it can't be overlooked.

Fomalhaut wrote:Could Messiah and Serpent be the thesis and anti-thesis but of the same source thus having the same numbers?


It can also be said that they are the actual same. In the Gospel of John (3:13-15), Jesus refers to the desert episode of the Pentateuch, saying:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


So here we see, in Jesus' own words, the ophite redeemer. This is about kundalini, "the serpent power", that must be "lifted up" in order to "ascend up to heaven" (but which should only be done in the context of the true initiations, not haphazardly & without the rare true guidance).

Also note how Jesus mentions the "Son of man which is in heaven". Not the supposed "Son of God", the lame redeemer of the Christian masses, but the Son of man, the power that man himself has put into his own spiritual development with real work. This "Son of man" is our "Azazel", namely, the Self that dwells in personal man also but is projected by him - by choice & by work - back to its source, to the spirit. It's a Lucifer "after his fall" so to speak, although we're not talking about linear time here.
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Re: Numerical Symbolism

Postby Bies » Mon Jun 30, 2014 5:09 am

I've been long fascinated with the number 15. I believe that a primary viewpoint to see this number from can start from The Devil tarot card, which obviously ix XV.
Now, before I got any further, I think that the recognition of this number requires seeing Satan as the active force in the process of Death. My personal interest, and philosophical focal point on THAT matter, is the anti-kabbalistic stance of Satan being the proactive antithesis of creation. For obvious reasons, I do find this to be in agreement, or at least, not in contrast with the thought process presented in the teachings of the Star of Azazel.

Moving ahead to another force of Death, Saturn- if we take the magic square of Saturn (492, 357, 816), as well as the seal of Saturn (from medieval magic, but used prominently within the workings of the ONA), we have the the main number of Saturn as 9, but 9 from 15. While I am sure everyone is familiar with the said square, I will put it here for review:

http://0.tqn.com/d/altreligion/1/0/6/0/ ... umbers.jpg

Adding up to 15 per side, equaling 45 in each column, the end result is 9. However, if we are to keep adding the number together, rather than to compile the 15s, we have 1+5, three times over, equaling 666. Fittingly, 666 adds back up to 18, which in turn adds back up to 9, linking in the mythos I am presenting here Satan and Saturn as similar forces of Death. Now, I have written this post quickly, and we can continue to present cases both ways (a. that this is a fitting comparison, and well deserved or b. that this is trivial and non-important), but I will leave the Sigil of Lucifer, as another example of the X and V- 15:

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/ ... 39hr6v.png

Hail Satan/Death

(On another note, this marks my first longer post on these forums, and I look forward to now having the time, focus, to do this MUCH more often.)

For your consideration,

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Re: Numerical Symbolism

Postby Jiva » Sat Oct 25, 2014 10:04 pm

I'm not sure how I missed this post originally, but that is really interesting. There's a definite beauty in how intricate it is :). Incidentally, the Grimoirium Verum is a book I've wanted to read for some time now, although actually 'read' is probably the wrong word as it's the sigils I'm drawn to.

Anyway, I'm going to bump this thread with one of the main equations from David Chaim Smith's Blazing Dew of Stars...

The following is based on the sentence AHYH AShR AHYH – “I am that I am” or “I will be, that (by which), I will be” from Exodus 3:14. Smith sees the first I as the capacity to reflect and the second I as the reflected variation, which together signify the potentiality and capacity to manifest with no conceptual division. This is related to something Smith frequently returns to, namely that “alef is never less than two” and the word “b'reshit”: “reshit” means “beginning” while the prefix “b” which means "in" has a numerical value of 2.

This begins with the stepping of the word YHVH, where the word is developed letter by letter with all permutations being added:
Y (10)
YH (15)
YHV (21)
YHVH (26)

This ultimately results in YHVH (72). Another word sharing the gematria of 72 is the sephira CheSD, the creative expanse of nature on the first day of creation. From this is subtracted the stepped value for AHYH:
A (1)
AH (6)
AHY (16)
AHYH (21)

This results in AHYH (44), the value of DaM which literally means 'blood' but which Smith describes as the 'blood of space'. When 44 is subtracted from 72 this results in 28 and represents the differential of contextual space and manifestation. Smith connects this value with the following quote: “seven: three opposite three, and one is the rule deciding between them” (Sefer Yetzirah 6:5). When 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are summed the total is 28. The number in the middle of the series is 4 which when multiplied by 7 results in 28. The essential interpretation is to see beyond the illusory world of manifested differentiability by attaining some sort of balance or equilibrium.
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Re: Numerical Symbolism

Postby Jiva » Sat Oct 25, 2014 11:09 pm

Actually, I just realised I should add some further Kabbalistic methods of gematria to the thread (I've updated my original post to include them as well).

The first is the Atbash cipher and the second is aiq beker (towards the bottom of the page).

I also randomly discovered a few days ago that the Cyrillic alphabet had numeric values until the eighteenth century. I'm not sure if this was utilised in any gematrial or esoteric/occult way. A quick Google search tells me that Pushkin might've incorporated some gematrial symbolism into his works, but this was a century later and apparently mostly influenced by the Christian Kabbalah.
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Re: Numerical Symbolism

Postby Nefastos » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:47 pm

Jiva wrote:I also randomly discovered a few days ago that the Cyrillic alphabet had numeric values until the eighteenth century. I'm not sure if this was utilised in any gematrial or esoteric/occult way. A quick Google search tells me that Pushkin might've incorporated some gematrial symbolism into his works, but this was a century later and apparently mostly influenced by the Christian Kabbalah.


Thank you brother, this was news to me, & especially interesting now as I have just came back to learn some Russian after a pause of twenty years. It's a deep, beautiful language, easily bound to mystic use, I think. Were I a Russian, I might not even use Latin in my prayers & invocations, but just my mother language. Same goes with Hebrew, Greek, &c. although the archaistic forms used in magical texts would make the language sound like a totally different one.

In Finland we have so young written culture that we do not have such sophisticated magical systems; our magic was oral & bound to poetic rhythm.
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