Boreas wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:42 pmNefastos wrote: ↑Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:18 am In this way depth psychology really is very "Satanic", as obnoxion said that the Traditionalists believe, for exactly this is one of the greatest blessings that master Satan helps us with: the journey into our own underworld, to correct (by realization) things done in the past. If that Satanic journey is not made, one remains an outsider to himself.
From the critic of psychoanalysis in the traditionalist milieu I have understood that they do not mean this "journey into our own underworld" which is the traditional "descent into hell" but the subverted character of PA in that it does not recognize any sovereign principle in man - which could be termed the super-consciousness - and instead extinguishes the sovereign principle by referring one-sidedly into the sub-consciousness and into the lustprinzip and todesprinzip that are especially in Freud seen as real sources of the being of man. This is what could be termed esoterically as the dissolution of being "in the gloomy shades of Hades".
Boreas wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 3:53 pm Continuing the slight off-topic: So the traditionalist critique of psychoanalysis states that it is a subversion and inversion of the proper esoteric process, because after the descent there is no re-ascent, because in materialist terms there is simply nothing to ascend to. The equivalent in the neo-spiritualist milieu is a "pantheistic" dissolution of the individual in cosmic consciousness. What about the "spiritualized" theories of Jung then? Well, he is simply accused of mistaking the psychic with the spiritual, and alchemy isn't just a pre-modern symbol of the individuation process.
As one who respects Jung very much, this doesn't do justice to the whole of his corpus as much as the critic stands in itself.
I cannot agree with this critic. I have read a hefty load of Jung, even though not nearly all, and I would not say either that he "mistakes psychic with spiritual" or that he would build on Freud's "lustprinzip and todesprinzip".
Jung's language is quite modern & scientific, but not his ultimate thought, which seeks balance. I think in this Jung's focusing on the center (equilibrium between the superconscious & subconscious) is the problem's root for the interpretation you mentioned. This, however, is a goal that the Star of Azazel philosophy shares: the Work that is done ultimately for the spirit ("God", and the highest being in each of us, with the help of the inner master) is done seemingly for the world, for the other people, and for individual illumination that is Luciferian. Its seeming focus is therefore in this middle-earth of soul reality, and not in spirit. When spirit is taken into the world without first purificating it by making it individual & personal, it presents itself as destructive monstrous forces. But this [application of soul] is practical & heuristic process and seeks but to serve monadic spirit ultimately. Compromise is total dedication for the universe that is absolute & whole.
EDIT: Added clarity.