Smaragd wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:41 pm
Nefastos wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:09 pm
Kenazis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:23 pmps. as Ave, I also have always related myself with the underdogs and outsiders.
I used to do that more, but the work in the brotherhood has taught me a lot in this, too. A typical Azazelian martyr's actually quite a humorous black sheep attitude gets easier to notice in oneself when there's a hundred people acting more or less in the same way ("Alas, I am an outcast! Woe to me, the Special One!"), and being for a change also the object and not only the subject of the subconscious patricidal needs has made me think these things twice before taking the side of a beggar, ruffian or alcoholic just because he's an outlaw. I think this white vs. black sheep idealism really goes 1:1, both are equally wrong, when sides are taken intuitively.
This! And it's also ridiculous how endless this pit gets even when I try to balance things out by not choosing sides. Balancing is so easily seen as choosing the other side, even when painstakingly trying to underline it is not. Thus I am again the scapegoat castout defending the opposite of underdog, which is the underdog in a sphere full of underdogs. I'm not referring to SoA circles by this, but general experiences in the underground social circles. It's easy to be really out of place in such spheres where people try to identify with the opposite of this or that norm and you yourself feel like building identity is not the reason I'm there at all. The Azazelian martyr can actually do alot of harm if he doesn't see those places and the indentity building some sort of recovery halls and leave them be and accept the desert is where he must return.
Yes, that is right.
Nevertheless, I actually understand this underdog attitude, which I am not entirely free of. The search for a social role is innate to all of us. Whether we are aware of it or not; we have a certain role in a group and mostly act in accordance with that role. We strive to maintain this role even if it harms ourselves or others. A victim mostly unconsciously strives to remain a victim, a rebel tries to remain a rebel, giver wants to stay giver, taker wants to stay taker. Becoming aware of these things is not easy. These schemata form our personality and that is exactly what is torn to pieces when we let them go. It is a cruel process to go through.
Ave wrote: ↑Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:32 pm
Why did Jeesus encouraged people to give away all their posessions? I have thought a lot of ethics of money and consuming. I know that some of my "altruism" stems out of guilt of being a priviledged westerner. And from a masocistic place of "not being worthy" of the priviledge.
Oh, that an intersting question.
Sometimes I think that the word of Jesus is misinterpreted today. In many films, the poor hold a morally higher position than the one who owns something. (e.g. the classic Cinderella story) A picture is produced that shows you are a better person if you own less. I think that's wrong, it is precisely this idea of the black/white sheep. Being poor doesn't make anyone a better person. If there is someone who likes to make you believe that, then most likely it is the rich. This is how the Church preached it and I still find it ridiculous that someone should cover with gold, live in a palast and preach humility and renunciation to others.
In my interpretation, Jesus did not demand others to be poor. He tells us that the love for money is a sin, not the money itself. I would say it's more about not clinging to material things it does not mean that you have to be poor in order to act ethically valid.
Of course, giving or sharing has an ethical and spiritual value, but it is not limited to material things. You can also give someone your attention or maybe some of your time.
I've found that giving or helping is not always positive. For some it is also a female (of course not limited to women) form of dominance and can take on traits of toxic maternity. At this moment, the helper strives to keep the person in need of help in order to keep his helper position. (Just a general note, not directed to you)