Re: The Right Hand Path & the Death Worship
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 6:44 am
It seems we don't.Jiva wrote:...I don't think we have such different views...
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It seems we don't.Jiva wrote:...I don't think we have such different views...
Your post made a very deep impression on me, Obnoxion. Last night, after reading this thread, I sat up for a long time processing the uneasiness and - yes, even fear that the thought of death as a slow fading-away provoked in me. Perhaps I felt so alienated because it has always seemed to me that letting go of ones interests is bound to be only a substitute for those interests, a result of a fear of failure. This is obviously enough not the case with you, but it would probably be so for me. The motive of giving something up is much more important than what precisely is given up, and I'm still working on freeing myself from any superficial expectations other people may have on my part.obnoxion wrote:In a way, yes. But I must stress that I do enjoy myself actively and pursue my interests. Yet there is always a slow but steady process of letting go in progress. And after relatively many years of conscious focus on becoming passive to the world, the process has gained a momentum of its own. It helps that this is a very natural process. As we get older, we face our autumn years, and then, a last, our winter years. Many of us abhor the old age, and cleave to our youth. Yet the elderly so often say that the happiest times of their lives were the very last times. At a somewhat early age, in my youth, I choose consciously to let go of my summer years, and I made haste to cleave to the autumn. I gave up the wish for eternal youth, and the hope of lengthening its wanton excitements. Soon, a lot of my wants and my wishes fell away from me like leaves of brown, of yellow and red. Unless one has experienced the purifying clarity of the sun light in September, there really isn’t a proper way to describe it. Just being here, less and less in the world by each moment, carrying the utter peace of the grave in one’s heart, and finally experiencing such joy of being that one can only dimly recall from some distant, preverbal existence of one’s most immaculate past. And when this process begins, there is no more hurry. When one lets go just a little, one finds that one has enough of everything. And when one still lets go a little more, there is abundance. And the less one holds on to, the more one overflows. Who, then, can imagine the ecstasies of the utter midwinter, or the prolongations of the serene catacombs? The monad truly is like a human skull, like the Kabbalists say; it is white, it is smooth, and in all things it is like the skeletal head of the long-dead.Kenazis wrote:Do you mean that this state of being would be totally harmonius with environment? Being a state of absolute non-resistance?
What is it precisely that has changed; what, in your opinion, made violence acceptable in ancient times?obnoxion wrote: These old school ways always had an element of violence in them, because in ancient times it was a necessary part of spiritual achievement. Nowdays different methods are more suitable.
Even this wasn't question pointed to me, I started to wonder. Might it be that in ancient times the energies of men were more "in line", more clear, so it was easier to destroy unwanted parts with violence, with better precision and in the process of doing this, not affect in harmful way the other parts. While today the energies are more chaotic, more complex and intermingled, so it's so much easier to "fuck things up" by using violence as a method?Cancer wrote:What is it precisely that has changed; what, in your opinion, made violence acceptable in ancient times?obnoxion wrote: These old school ways always had an element of violence in them, because in ancient times it was a necessary part of spiritual achievement. Nowdays different methods are more suitable.
Kenazis wrote:Even this wasn't question pointed to me, I started to wonder. Might it be that in ancient times the energies of men were more "in line", more clear, so it was easier to destroy unwanted parts with violence, with better precision and in the process of doing this, not affect in harmful way the other parts. While today the energies are more chaotic, more complex and intermingled, so it's so much easier to "fuck things up" by using violence as a method?