Ave wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:25 amTrancendenting humanity is a birth right to all of us. It's natural - something that cannot be tamed or put into fixed form.
In potential, yes, but in practice this would be equal for the view that everyone can be a genius. It is false egalitarianism to claim that. No, initiation is a calling and there are requirements for it. Not everyone is called for pure knowledge which is what initiation is about. "Many are called but few are chosen." It can be said that everyone is called and entitled for "salvation", but only a few have access to total liberation - it is simply the way things are even by a cursory glance.
Ave wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:25 amTherefore I don't put that much weight on formal initiation.
I think initiation can never be only formal or technical, but it is one side of the issue and not to be neglected. How it will take place i have no clue.
Ave wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:25 amAlso I feel that I can access the collective wisdom of humankind (and all its traditions) with my soul - and not be bound by time/space on that. The cycles of time cannot erase this possibility, they merely make this feature somewhat different to use at times.
Certainly sapiental wisdom is meant for all peoples, times and places. "Knowledge is better divulged than forgotten."
Ave wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:25 amAlthough the traditionalists can be credited for pointing out the foolishness of modern age, with this initiation subject they seem to fall into romantical paternalism which to me is quite phoney (yet, in a kinky way, appealing).
Even if one rejects the traditionalist thesis (narrative?), I think if you'll study Guénon's treatises about the subject (Initiation & Spiritual Realization and Perspectives on Initiation), there is nothing romantic or paternalistic in them. And I'll assure you, you will learn a lot of very useful things.
obnoxion wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:32 amA rigorous reading of Guenon must be a great support on the way.
He is one of the best teachers of modern times I think, but there are still problems. One of them is that one will become a mummified old fart if one takes him as it is. No one should be taken without a grain of salt, and as I have studied more from him, I have noticed a certain "kama-manasic saturation" which can be very harmful. (I think Guénon would be horrified of the fact that a Luciferian claims him as one of his teachers!)