To start I will quote some interesting bits from the discussion on Good & Bad in Conspiracy Theories topic:
***Ave wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 5:35 pmWhat I know, a lot of quantum physics makes sense only in the language of math. So do you imply that quantum theory is irrelevant to the macro level world? (Otherwise than in techical applications such as the quantum computer, which still is not more than a lousy computer, what I've heard. Correct me, if I'm wrong.) As a hermetist I have to note that as above so below etc. In my mind, there is very little doubt that the quantum structure - and phenomena - that we can witness in the micro level would not apply in the macro level. But the question is, in what way will it play out and what is the role of (human) consiousness in it.
I'd like to point that the difference seems to be only the difference of the lense we are looking through a quantum phenomena. At least from my own point of view the religious mystical lense is the kind that seeks to bring the understanding of phenomenas (including scientific understanding) in to the greater whole where different mechanism of the world are mirrored in each other (existential meaningfulness of life relates to the interconnectedness of things) and their relationships with each other hopefully gains clarity in the process. This could be seen (admittedly a clumsy) point of view to mysticism. In religious context, the metaphysical beyond the physical phenomena is usually ofcourse observed through different gods or spirits, but the "mechanisms" of these beings could be seen atleast having correspondence to the phenomena. Let's take an awfully broad example: Hermes with it's fast travelling wings and the role as the Messenger God, as well as the Iocator aspect of it; isn't it obvious that quantum phenomena in it's tongue in cheek mechanisms the physicists are quite enthralled by is somewhat close to this God?Wyrmfang wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:53 pm The quantum phenomena are not necessarily spiritual in any mystical sense, they just prove that the Newtonian paradigm (which is not a paradigm of philosophical materialism but a paradigm of measuring the empirically observable nature) is insufficient. ... And if they are spiritual (that is, not material) in some ontological sense, it is different from spiritual in the religious/mystical sense associated the existential meaningfulness of life.
The idea that quantum phenomena have been thus far (to my knowledge) only observed on the micro level, holds interesting notions to theorize around. Let's take for example Blavatsky often writing about atoms and the Monads being at least nearly the same thing (I'm thinking fundamental particles possibly being quite high spirits), and if we are zooming in the atomical level and the phenomena there seems to change, could we be sort of zooming out from the illusory objective world in to the subjective-objective world where Gods are present in elementary particles and what not, and thus we could, in theory, be observing for example Mercurial mechanics in quantum phenomena, in vitro. (I think I just accidentally found modern alchemy or should it be called quantum alchemy. ) I mean this would be sort of symbolical zoom because the observer would likely think to be watching the same objective world and thus the illusion would remain. This could be also some part of to the reason why it matters the observer is present in the double-slit experiment. But as everyone can see, this is quite wild theorizing I just had to give a voice to as these things have been baffling me.